From hathaway at cns.fas.harvard.edu Wed Jul 2 09:55:52 2014 From: hathaway at cns.fas.harvard.edu (Mac Hathaway) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2014 09:55:52 -0400 Subject: [labnetwork] Labnetwork - Process? Message-ID: <53B40F68.2090005@cns.fas.harvard.edu> Hey All, As there is still occasional uncertainty regarding the main thrust of Labnetwork (i.e. general questions about cleanroom operation and administration vs. more specific questions of more narrow interest), I'm guessing that some Labnetworkers sometimes don't ask certain question, out of deference to others... If this is the case, does it make sense to create a parallel list, for instance "Labnetwork - Process" or "Labnetwork - Equipment", where much more specific questions can be aired without guilt(!), such as "Has anyone seen a difference between 5x9s purity and 98% purity TMA in their ALD aluminum oxide?" Or do folks feel it's fine as it is? I'm thinking a specific process or equipment list might bring in other folks for whom the general questions have not been sufficiently relevant to merit their attention. Just a thought that came up during the UGIM... Mac Hathaway Harvard CNS -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bob.henderson at etchedintimeinc.com Wed Jul 2 11:30:59 2014 From: bob.henderson at etchedintimeinc.com (Bob Henderson) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2014 08:30:59 -0700 Subject: [labnetwork] Labnetwork - Process? In-Reply-To: <53B40F68.2090005@cns.fas.harvard.edu> References: <53B40F68.2090005@cns.fas.harvard.edu> Message-ID: <003601cf960a$a07d2870$e1777950$@henderson@etchedintimeinc.com> Mac: I think that is a wonderful idea. As I am more involved in various equipment and process technologies, it would be a good opportunity to help with more specific issues regarding advancements and new equipment available for a variety of nano specific questions and projects. Bob Henderson From: labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] On Behalf Of Mac Hathaway Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2014 6:56 AM To: labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu Subject: [labnetwork] Labnetwork - Process? Hey All, As there is still occasional uncertainty regarding the main thrust of Labnetwork (i.e. general questions about cleanroom operation and administration vs. more specific questions of more narrow interest), I'm guessing that some Labnetworkers sometimes don't ask certain question, out of deference to others... If this is the case, does it make sense to create a parallel list, for instance "Labnetwork - Process" or "Labnetwork - Equipment", where much more specific questions can be aired without guilt(!), such as "Has anyone seen a difference between 5x9s purity and 98% purity TMA in their ALD aluminum oxide?" Or do folks feel it's fine as it is? I'm thinking a specific process or equipment list might bring in other folks for whom the general questions have not been sufficiently relevant to merit their attention. Just a thought that came up during the UGIM... Mac Hathaway Harvard CNS -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From crraum at gmail.com Wed Jul 2 21:25:06 2014 From: crraum at gmail.com (Christopher Raum) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2014 18:25:06 -0700 Subject: [labnetwork] Labnetwork - Process? In-Reply-To: <53B40F68.2090005@cns.fas.harvard.edu> References: <53B40F68.2090005@cns.fas.harvard.edu> Message-ID: Hi Mac, I've been a lurker on labnetwork for a while, and I think an offshoot mailing list to discuss process development would be a great complimentary resource to the labnetwork. The pool of knowledge here is most impressive and if people were willing to participate it would be a valuable resource to all the research and process engineers on the list, not to mention the up and coming graduate fabheads who need tips and tricks to get started. It could be an alternative to MEMS-talk at the MEMS Clearinghouse. -Chris Raum -- Research Engineer Experimental Cosmology Group UC Berkeley On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 6:55 AM, Mac Hathaway wrote: > Hey All, > > As there is still occasional uncertainty regarding the main thrust of > Labnetwork (i.e. general questions about cleanroom operation and > administration vs. more specific questions of more narrow interest), I'm > guessing that some Labnetworkers sometimes don't ask certain question, out > of deference to others... > > If this is the case, does it make sense to create a parallel list, for > instance "Labnetwork - Process" or "Labnetwork - Equipment", where much > more specific questions can be aired without guilt(!), such as "Has anyone > seen a difference between 5x9s purity and 98% purity TMA in their ALD > aluminum oxide?" Or do folks feel it's fine as it is? I'm thinking a > specific process or equipment list might bring in other folks for whom the > general questions have not been sufficiently relevant to merit their > attention. > > Just a thought that came up during the UGIM... > > > Mac Hathaway > Harvard CNS > > _______________________________________________ > labnetwork mailing list > labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu > https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From diadiuk at MIT.EDU Thu Jul 3 08:11:18 2014 From: diadiuk at MIT.EDU (Vicky Diadiuk) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2014 08:11:18 -0400 Subject: [labnetwork] Labnetwork - Process? In-Reply-To: <003601cf960a$a07d2870$e1777950$@henderson@etchedintimeinc.com> References: <53B40F68.2090005@cns.fas.harvard.edu> <003601cf960a$a07d2870$e1777950$@henderson@etchedintimeinc.com> Message-ID: <7E8BA3F9-362D-484B-B4F9-9A6B50C9FDA0@mit.edu> HI, I respectfully but COMPLETELY disagree. MIT (Prof Duane Boning to be precise) has been moderating Labnetwork for years & it's working beautifully. The information one gleans (even if one wasn't explicitly interested before it got asked) is most useful, & participants seem to be pretty relaxed asking specific questions. If the thread gets too detailed, it switches seamlessly to a conversation between the parties. I don't think we need to make rather artificial process, equipment & operations distinctions. If ain't broke ... Happy 4th! Vicky On Jul 2, 2014, at 11:30 AM, Bob Henderson wrote: > Mac: > > I think that is a wonderful idea. As I am more involved in various equipment and process technologies, it would be a good opportunity to help with more specific issues regarding advancements and new equipment available for a variety of nano specific questions and projects. Bob Henderson > > From: labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] On Behalf Of Mac Hathaway > Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2014 6:56 AM > To: labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu > Subject: [labnetwork] Labnetwork - Process? > > Hey All, > > As there is still occasional uncertainty regarding the main thrust of Labnetwork (i.e. general questions about cleanroom operation and administration vs. more specific questions of more narrow interest), I'm guessing that some Labnetworkers sometimes don't ask certain question, out of deference to others... > > If this is the case, does it make sense to create a parallel list, for instance "Labnetwork - Process" or "Labnetwork - Equipment", where much more specific questions can be aired without guilt(!), such as "Has anyone seen a difference between 5x9s purity and 98% purity TMA in their ALD aluminum oxide?" Or do folks feel it's fine as it is? I'm thinking a specific process or equipment list might bring in other folks for whom the general questions have not been sufficiently relevant to merit their attention. > > Just a thought that came up during the UGIM... > > > Mac Hathaway > Harvard CNS > _______________________________________________ > labnetwork mailing list > labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu > https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rmorrison at draper.com Thu Jul 3 09:14:09 2014 From: rmorrison at draper.com (Morrison, Richard H., Jr.) Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2014 13:14:09 +0000 Subject: [labnetwork] Labnetwork - Process? In-Reply-To: <53B40F68.2090005@cns.fas.harvard.edu> References: <53B40F68.2090005@cns.fas.harvard.edu> Message-ID: I vote that we keep just one Labnet list. It will just make more work for the person whom moderates the list today. I suggest that we can ask any questions related to fab work including process questions. Rick From: labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] On Behalf Of Mac Hathaway Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2014 9:56 AM To: labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu Subject: [labnetwork] Labnetwork - Process? Hey All, As there is still occasional uncertainty regarding the main thrust of Labnetwork (i.e. general questions about cleanroom operation and administration vs. more specific questions of more narrow interest), I'm guessing that some Labnetworkers sometimes don't ask certain question, out of deference to others... If this is the case, does it make sense to create a parallel list, for instance "Labnetwork - Process" or "Labnetwork - Equipment", where much more specific questions can be aired without guilt(!), such as "Has anyone seen a difference between 5x9s purity and 98% purity TMA in their ALD aluminum oxide?" Or do folks feel it's fine as it is? I'm thinking a specific process or equipment list might bring in other folks for whom the general questions have not been sufficiently relevant to merit their attention. Just a thought that came up during the UGIM... Mac Hathaway Harvard CNS -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From boning at mtl.mit.edu Thu Jul 3 09:17:05 2014 From: boning at mtl.mit.edu (Duane Boning) Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2014 09:17:05 -0400 Subject: [labnetwork] Labnetwork - Process? In-Reply-To: References: <53B40F68.2090005@cns.fas.harvard.edu> Message-ID: <53B557D1.3020404@mtl.mit.edu> Hello all, A quick note with my preference or suggestion, as your friendly behind the scenes moderator. I think everyone on the list should feel free and uninhibited to ask those detailed process and equipment questions. They seem perfect for the labnetwork list. That would be a lot easier than setting up two or three different lists, I think. If later we find out that there's too much traffic, that will be a good problem to have (I don't think we're at that kind of high traffic situation now) and we could revisit. So please do go ahead and post to the list! Sincerely, /Duane ------- Duane S. Boning Professor of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science MIT, Room 39-415, Cambridge, MA 02139 Phone: 617-253-0931, boning at mtl.mit.edu Assistant: Grace Lindsay 617-324-4828 On 7/2/2014 9:25 PM, Christopher Raum wrote: > Hi Mac, > > I've been a lurker on labnetwork for a while, and I think an offshoot > mailing list to discuss process development would be a great > complimentary resource to the labnetwork. The pool of knowledge here > is most impressive and if people were willing to participate it would > be a valuable resource to all the research and process engineers on > the list, not to mention the up and coming graduate fabheads who need > tips and tricks to get started. It could be an alternative to > MEMS-talk at the MEMS Clearinghouse. > > -Chris Raum > -- > Research Engineer > Experimental Cosmology Group > UC Berkeley > > > On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 6:55 AM, Mac Hathaway > > > wrote: > > Hey All, > > As there is still occasional uncertainty regarding the main thrust > of Labnetwork (i.e. general questions about cleanroom operation > and administration vs. more specific questions of more narrow > interest), I'm guessing that some Labnetworkers sometimes don't > ask certain question, out of deference to others... > > If this is the case, does it make sense to create a parallel list, > for instance "Labnetwork - Process" or "Labnetwork - Equipment", > where much more specific questions can be aired without guilt(!), > such as "Has anyone seen a difference between 5x9s purity and 98% > purity TMA in their ALD aluminum oxide?" Or do folks feel it's > fine as it is? I'm thinking a specific process or equipment list > might bring in other folks for whom the general questions have not > been sufficiently relevant to merit their attention. > > Just a thought that came up during the UGIM... > > > Mac Hathaway > Harvard CNS > > _______________________________________________ > labnetwork mailing list > labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu > https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork > > > > > _______________________________________________ > labnetwork mailing list > labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu > https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Vincent.Luciani at nist.gov Thu Jul 3 10:15:04 2014 From: Vincent.Luciani at nist.gov (Luciani, Vincent) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2014 14:15:04 +0000 Subject: [labnetwork] Labnetwork - Process? In-Reply-To: <53B40F68.2090005@cns.fas.harvard.edu> References: <53B40F68.2090005@cns.fas.harvard.edu> Message-ID: <9bffc66519884ea2abb31854b0d46c92@DM2PR09MB0287.namprd09.prod.outlook.com> Hello All, What a great UGIM. Nice seeing everyone. It is a completely selfish motivation but expanding the scope of the LabNetwork makes me nervous that we will stress and lose a cherished source of expert advice from a select group of experts with a very common interest. KInda like my favorite family run restaurant going franchise. I read every email from the LabNetwork and I would like it to stay that way. If we try it, I am glad that the man behind the curtain will keep it under control. Vince Vincent K. Luciani NanoFab Manager Center for Nanoscale Science and Technology National Institute of Standards and Technology 100 Bureau Drive, MS 6201 Gaithersburg, MD 20899-6200 USA +1-301-975-2886 From: labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] On Behalf Of Mac Hathaway Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2014 9:56 AM To: labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu Subject: [labnetwork] Labnetwork - Process? Hey All, As there is still occasional uncertainty regarding the main thrust of Labnetwork (i.e. general questions about cleanroom operation and administration vs. more specific questions of more narrow interest), I'm guessing that some Labnetworkers sometimes don't ask certain question, out of deference to others... If this is the case, does it make sense to create a parallel list, for instance "Labnetwork - Process" or "Labnetwork - Equipment", where much more specific questions can be aired without guilt(!), such as "Has anyone seen a difference between 5x9s purity and 98% purity TMA in their ALD aluminum oxide?" Or do folks feel it's fine as it is? I'm thinking a specific process or equipment list might bring in other folks for whom the general questions have not been sufficiently relevant to merit their attention. Just a thought that came up during the UGIM... Mac Hathaway Harvard CNS -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From julia.aebersold at louisville.edu Thu Jul 3 10:30:12 2014 From: julia.aebersold at louisville.edu (Aebersold,Julia W.) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2014 14:30:12 +0000 Subject: [labnetwork] Labnetwork - Process? In-Reply-To: References: <53B40F68.2090005@cns.fas.harvard.edu> Message-ID: Yup. What they said. :) Cheers! Julia Aebersold, Ph.D. MNTC Cleanroom Manager Shumaker Research Building, Room 233 2210 South Brook Street University of Louisville Louisville, KY 40292 502-852-1572 http://louisville.edu/micronano/ From: labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] On Behalf Of Morrison, Richard H., Jr. Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2014 9:14 AM To: Mac Hathaway; labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu Subject: Re: [labnetwork] Labnetwork - Process? I vote that we keep just one Labnet list. It will just make more work for the person whom moderates the list today. I suggest that we can ask any questions related to fab work including process questions. Rick From: labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] On Behalf Of Mac Hathaway Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2014 9:56 AM To: labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu Subject: [labnetwork] Labnetwork - Process? Hey All, As there is still occasional uncertainty regarding the main thrust of Labnetwork (i.e. general questions about cleanroom operation and administration vs. more specific questions of more narrow interest), I'm guessing that some Labnetworkers sometimes don't ask certain question, out of deference to others... If this is the case, does it make sense to create a parallel list, for instance "Labnetwork - Process" or "Labnetwork - Equipment", where much more specific questions can be aired without guilt(!), such as "Has anyone seen a difference between 5x9s purity and 98% purity TMA in their ALD aluminum oxide?" Or do folks feel it's fine as it is? I'm thinking a specific process or equipment list might bring in other folks for whom the general questions have not been sufficiently relevant to merit their attention. Just a thought that came up during the UGIM... Mac Hathaway Harvard CNS -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sbhas at uchicago.edu Thu Jul 3 10:36:20 2014 From: sbhas at uchicago.edu (Shivakumar Bhaskaran) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2014 14:36:20 +0000 Subject: [labnetwork] Labnetwork - Process? In-Reply-To: References: <53B40F68.2090005@cns.fas.harvard.edu> Message-ID: In the past years of my work experience in the University set up cleanroom, we always tend to create new process model for various different research group and due to that the new equipment's or the old equipment's has capability of doing various kinds of process which some might not know, it will be really helpful how other Cleanroom design their process. I have been in different forum and groups related to process, which I tend to receive lots of email and its overwhelming, so there is also downside of the issue related to create separate process list. From: labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] On Behalf Of Morrison, Richard H., Jr. Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2014 8:14 AM To: Mac Hathaway; labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu Subject: Re: [labnetwork] Labnetwork - Process? I vote that we keep just one Labnet list. It will just make more work for the person whom moderates the list today. I suggest that we can ask any questions related to fab work including process questions. Rick From: labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] On Behalf Of Mac Hathaway Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2014 9:56 AM To: labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu Subject: [labnetwork] Labnetwork - Process? Hey All, As there is still occasional uncertainty regarding the main thrust of Labnetwork (i.e. general questions about cleanroom operation and administration vs. more specific questions of more narrow interest), I'm guessing that some Labnetworkers sometimes don't ask certain question, out of deference to others... If this is the case, does it make sense to create a parallel list, for instance "Labnetwork - Process" or "Labnetwork - Equipment", where much more specific questions can be aired without guilt(!), such as "Has anyone seen a difference between 5x9s purity and 98% purity TMA in their ALD aluminum oxide?" Or do folks feel it's fine as it is? I'm thinking a specific process or equipment list might bring in other folks for whom the general questions have not been sufficiently relevant to merit their attention. Just a thought that came up during the UGIM... Mac Hathaway Harvard CNS -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kevin.walsh at louisville.edu Thu Jul 3 11:03:27 2014 From: kevin.walsh at louisville.edu (Walsh,Kevin M.) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2014 15:03:27 +0000 Subject: [labnetwork] Labnetwork - Process? In-Reply-To: References: <53B40F68.2090005@cns.fas.harvard.edu> Message-ID: <0D1ABD6DF2541B42A05BD6E6D36954110128B38BD2@EXMBX03.ad.louisville.edu> I vote for 1 listserve Dr. Kevin M. Walsh Ky nanoNET Director Samuel T. Fife Professor of Electrical and Computer Engineering Founding Director of the UofL Micro/Nanotechnology Center 2210 South Brook St Shumaker Research Building, Room 234 Louisville, KY 40292 Office # (502) 852-0826 Fax # (502) 852-8128 http://kynanonet.org/ [Description: Capture for email signature] From: labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] On Behalf Of Morrison, Richard H., Jr. Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2014 9:14 AM To: Mac Hathaway; labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu Subject: Re: [labnetwork] Labnetwork - Process? I vote that we keep just one Labnet list. It will just make more work for the person whom moderates the list today. I suggest that we can ask any questions related to fab work including process questions. Rick From: labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] On Behalf Of Mac Hathaway Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2014 9:56 AM To: labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu Subject: [labnetwork] Labnetwork - Process? Hey All, As there is still occasional uncertainty regarding the main thrust of Labnetwork (i.e. general questions about cleanroom operation and administration vs. more specific questions of more narrow interest), I'm guessing that some Labnetworkers sometimes don't ask certain question, out of deference to others... If this is the case, does it make sense to create a parallel list, for instance "Labnetwork - Process" or "Labnetwork - Equipment", where much more specific questions can be aired without guilt(!), such as "Has anyone seen a difference between 5x9s purity and 98% purity TMA in their ALD aluminum oxide?" Or do folks feel it's fine as it is? I'm thinking a specific process or equipment list might bring in other folks for whom the general questions have not been sufficiently relevant to merit their attention. Just a thought that came up during the UGIM... Mac Hathaway Harvard CNS -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 14485 bytes Desc: image001.jpg URL: From mtang at stanford.edu Thu Jul 3 13:07:22 2014 From: mtang at stanford.edu (Mary Tang) Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2014 10:07:22 -0700 Subject: [labnetwork] Labnetwork - Process? In-Reply-To: <7E8BA3F9-362D-484B-B4F9-9A6B50C9FDA0@mit.edu> References: <53B40F68.2090005@cns.fas.harvard.edu> <003601cf960a$a07d2870$e1777950$@henderson@etchedintimeinc.com> <7E8BA3F9-362D-484B-B4F9-9A6B50C9FDA0@mit.edu> Message-ID: <53B58DCA.3000003@stanford.edu> Hi all -- I vote with Vicky. I think it would be hard to separate process, maintenance, and operations. Managing operations, even at a very local tool level, seems to me to require a holistic approach -- if a fabrication process is having a problem, it may be because of equipment issues or maybe the way the tool is managed or shared. I also learn an awful lot from the discussions because the questions asked are generally things I haven't thought of before -- or maybe something I've always wanted to know, but couldn't articulate. So I'm also with Vince, I read most every one that comes through. And yes, I've been Duane'd on one or two overly specific postings which I've learned to redirect to specific individuals... The system works. Mary -- Mary X. Tang, Ph.D. Stanford Nanofabrication Facility Paul G. Allen Bldg 141, Mail Code 4070 Stanford, CA 94305 (650)723-9980 mtang at stanford.edu http://snf.stanford.edu On 7/3/2014 5:11 AM, Vicky Diadiuk wrote: > HI, > I respectfully but COMPLETELY disagree. > MIT (Prof Duane Boning to be precise) has been moderating Labnetwork > for years & it's working beautifully. > The information one gleans (even if one wasn't explicitly interested > before it got asked) is most useful, & participants seem to be pretty > relaxed asking specific questions. > If the thread gets too detailed, it switches seamlessly to a > conversation between the parties. > I don't think we need to make rather artificial process, equipment & > operations distinctions. > > If ain't broke ... > > Happy 4th! > Vicky > > > > On Jul 2, 2014, at 11:30 AM, Bob Henderson wrote: > >> Mac: >> I think that is a wonderful idea. As I am more involved in various >> equipment and process technologies, it would be a good opportunity to >> help with more specific issues regarding advancements and new >> equipment available for a variety of nano specific questions and >> projects. Bob Henderson >> *From:*labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu >> [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu]*On >> Behalf Of*Mac Hathaway >> *Sent:*Wednesday, July 02, 2014 6:56 AM >> *To:*labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu >> *Subject:*[labnetwork] Labnetwork - Process? >> Hey All, >> >> As there is still occasional uncertainty regarding the main thrust of >> Labnetwork (i.e. general questions about cleanroom operation and >> administration vs. more specific questions of more narrow interest), >> I'm guessing that some Labnetworkers sometimes don't ask certain >> question, out of deference to others... >> >> If this is the case, does it make sense to create a parallel list, >> for instance "Labnetwork - Process" or "Labnetwork - Equipment", >> where much more specific questions can be aired without guilt(!), >> such as "Has anyone seen a difference between 5x9s purity and 98% >> purity TMA in their ALD aluminum oxide?" Or do folks feel it's fine >> as it is? I'm thinking a specific process or equipment list might >> bring in other folks for whom the general questions have not been >> sufficiently relevant to merit their attention. >> >> Just a thought that came up during the UGIM... >> >> >> Mac Hathaway >> Harvard CNS >> _______________________________________________ >> labnetwork mailing list >> labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu >> https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork > > > > _______________________________________________ > labnetwork mailing list > labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu > https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From matthieu.nannini at mcgill.ca Thu Jul 3 14:22:17 2014 From: matthieu.nannini at mcgill.ca (Matthieu Nannini) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2014 14:22:17 -0400 Subject: [labnetwork] Heated gas lines Message-ID: <53B59F59.70901@mcgill.ca> Dear colleagues, We are undergoing an analysis of our gas network and I would like to get the best practices out there. For gases that need to be heated in order to avoid condensation, is it best to have the cabinet as close as possible to the tool ? Or, if one wants to consolidates all gases in the same area, could we have them far away ? if yes, how do you address the condensation issue. Thanks -- ----------------------------------- Matthieu Nannini McGill Nanotools Microfab From spaolini at cns.fas.harvard.edu Thu Jul 3 16:09:03 2014 From: spaolini at cns.fas.harvard.edu (Paolini, Steven) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2014 20:09:03 +0000 Subject: [labnetwork] Heated gas lines In-Reply-To: <53B59F59.70901@mcgill.ca> References: <53B59F59.70901@mcgill.ca> Message-ID: Matthiew, I highly advise against the practice of heating gas lines to keep low vapor pressure gases in gaseous form providing that you are feeding a vacuum system. Heating the gas lines and cylinder are an old school method of dealing with these materials but almost always results in condensation at some "cooler" region in the gas circuit. I believe the best approach is to specify sub-atmospheric regulators and regulate these materials to the lowest possible pressure that will keep up with the maximum flow rates of your equipment. The concept is simple: lower the pressure and you lower the boiling point. I had "inherited" equipment when I was in industry that was plagued with MFC floods and liquid pooling as a result of a weak link in the heating chain when I decided to swap methods and lower the pressure. The problems were cured right away and it didn't matter how close the source was to the equipment. On DCS for LPCVD, the delivery pressure of 2 PSI was sufficient to satisfy the systems gas flow rate and on BCL3, 5" Hg to 0PSI was enough. At my current facility, I practice the same method with slightly different pressures as a result of different demands. The use of sub-atmospheric (tied diaphragm) regulators allows precise control at these pressures where a standard pressure regulator performs sort of "jumpy". I can be more specific if you wish but I need to scoot out of Boston in a couple of minutes before being trapped by tens of thousands of fireworks fans! Steve Paolini Equipment Dood Harvard Center for Nanoscale Systems spaolini at cns.fas.harvard.edu -----Original Message----- From: labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] On Behalf Of Matthieu Nannini Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2014 2:22 PM To: labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu Subject: [labnetwork] Heated gas lines Dear colleagues, We are undergoing an analysis of our gas network and I would like to get the best practices out there. For gases that need to be heated in order to avoid condensation, is it best to have the cabinet as close as possible to the tool ? Or, if one wants to consolidates all gases in the same area, could we have them far away ? if yes, how do you address the condensation issue. Thanks -- ----------------------------------- Matthieu Nannini McGill Nanotools Microfab _______________________________________________ labnetwork mailing list labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork From bob.henderson at etchedintimeinc.com Thu Jul 3 17:23:44 2014 From: bob.henderson at etchedintimeinc.com (Bob Henderson) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2014 14:23:44 -0700 Subject: [labnetwork] Heated gas lines In-Reply-To: <53B59F59.70901@mcgill.ca> References: <53B59F59.70901@mcgill.ca> Message-ID: <000001cf9705$11c99d10$355cd730$@henderson@etchedintimeinc.com> Matthieu: It has been my recent experience depending on which gas and its vapor pressure to locate the source bottle as close to your reactor gas inlet as possible. Be sure to use the appropriate flow controller such as an MKS 1150C and heat tape the lines from your source bottle to the flowmeter and the lines leading into your chamber for best results. You can also contact Tom Britton who is a frequent contributor to this site as they are in this business and know what they are talking about. Bob Henderson -----Original Message----- From: labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] On Behalf Of Matthieu Nannini Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2014 11:22 AM To: labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu Subject: [labnetwork] Heated gas lines Dear colleagues, We are undergoing an analysis of our gas network and I would like to get the best practices out there. For gases that need to be heated in order to avoid condensation, is it best to have the cabinet as close as possible to the tool ? Or, if one wants to consolidates all gases in the same area, could we have them far away ? if yes, how do you address the condensation issue. Thanks -- ----------------------------------- Matthieu Nannini McGill Nanotools Microfab _______________________________________________ labnetwork mailing list labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork From tbritton at criticalsystemsinc.com Thu Jul 3 18:20:52 2014 From: tbritton at criticalsystemsinc.com (Tom Britton) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2014 22:20:52 +0000 Subject: [labnetwork] Heated gas lines In-Reply-To: <53B59F59.70901@mcgill.ca> References: <53B59F59.70901@mcgill.ca> Message-ID: <9820889A26AAC34EBEB01D62DFCEEB2E0117AE21@P3PWEX2MB006.ex2.secureserver.net> Hello Matthieu, I missed seeing you at Harvard a couple weeks back. I'm sure you would have enjoyed it. I hope all is well. Here is what we would recommend: Typically with gases that need to be heated to prevent condensation, the best practice is to keep it the distance short as possible from the source to the point of use. With that being said, if distance is the issue, the two key elements are temp and pressure, a gradual increase in temp from the source to the point of use and a decrease in pressure will be your best bet to minimize the chance of condensation. Please let me know if you have any questions. Tom Tom Britton Director of Sales Critical Systems, Inc. Direct: 208-890-1417 Office: 877-572-5515 www.CriticalSystemsInc.com [logo for email signature png] -----Original Message----- From: labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] On Behalf Of Matthieu Nannini Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2014 12:22 PM To: labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu Subject: [labnetwork] Heated gas lines Dear colleagues, We are undergoing an analysis of our gas network and I would like to get the best practices out there. For gases that need to be heated in order to avoid condensation, is it best to have the cabinet as close as possible to the tool ? Or, if one wants to consolidates all gases in the same area, could we have them far away ? if yes, how do you address the condensation issue. Thanks -- ----------------------------------- Matthieu Nannini McGill Nanotools Microfab _______________________________________________ labnetwork mailing list labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 9501 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From matthieu.nannini at mcgill.ca Thu Jul 3 16:34:09 2014 From: matthieu.nannini at mcgill.ca (Matthieu Nannini) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2014 16:34:09 -0400 Subject: [labnetwork] Labnetwork - Process? In-Reply-To: <0D1ABD6DF2541B42A05BD6E6D36954110128B38BD2@EXMBX03.ad.louisville.edu> References: <53B40F68.2090005@cns.fas.harvard.edu> <0D1ABD6DF2541B42A05BD6E6D36954110128B38BD2@EXMBX03.ad.louisville.edu> Message-ID: <53B5BE41.9060004@mcgill.ca> Dear colleagues, Is the list searchable ? I know one can browse the list archives but can you search it ? That would be the only downside of the mailing list if it wasn't searchable and maybe switching to a "one subject" forum engine like phpBB would be useful for search purposes if we don't want the questions to be duplicated. -- ----------------------------------- Matthieu Nannini McGill Nanotools Microfab > Walsh,Kevin M. > 3 juillet 2014 11:03 > > I vote for 1 listserve > > *Dr. Kevin M. Walsh* > > Ky nanoNET Director > > Samuel T. Fife Professor of Electrical and Computer Engineering > Founding Director of the UofL Micro/Nanotechnology Center > > 2210 South Brook St > > Shumaker Research Building, Room 234 > > Louisville, KY 40292 > > Office # (502) 852-0826 > > Fax # (502) 852-8128 > > *http://kynanonet.org/* > > Description: Capture for email signature** > > *From:*labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu > [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] *On Behalf Of *Morrison, > Richard H., Jr. > *Sent:* Thursday, July 03, 2014 9:14 AM > *To:* Mac Hathaway; labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu > *Subject:* Re: [labnetwork] Labnetwork - Process? > > I vote that we keep just one Labnet list. It will just make more work > for the person whom moderates the list today. I suggest that we can > ask any questions related to fab work including process questions. > > Rick > > *From:*labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu > > [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] *On Behalf Of *Mac Hathaway > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 02, 2014 9:56 AM > *To:* labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu > *Subject:* [labnetwork] Labnetwork - Process? > > Hey All, > > As there is still occasional uncertainty regarding the main thrust of > Labnetwork (i.e. general questions about cleanroom operation and > administration vs. more specific questions of more narrow interest), > I'm guessing that some Labnetworkers sometimes don't ask certain > question, out of deference to others... > > If this is the case, does it make sense to create a parallel list, for > instance "Labnetwork - Process" or "Labnetwork - Equipment", where > much more specific questions can be aired without guilt(!), such as > "Has anyone seen a difference between 5x9s purity and 98% purity TMA > in their ALD aluminum oxide?" Or do folks feel it's fine as it is? > I'm thinking a specific process or equipment list might bring in other > folks for whom the general questions have not been sufficiently > relevant to merit their attention. > > Just a thought that came up during the UGIM... > > > Mac Hathaway > Harvard CNS > > _______________________________________________ > labnetwork mailing list > labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu > https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork > Morrison, Richard H., Jr. > 3 juillet 2014 09:14 > > I vote that we keep just one Labnet list. It will just make more work > for the person whom moderates the list today. I suggest that we can > ask any questions related to fab work including process questions. > > Rick > > *From:*labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu > [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] *On Behalf Of *Mac Hathaway > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 02, 2014 9:56 AM > *To:* labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu > *Subject:* [labnetwork] Labnetwork - Process? > > Hey All, > > As there is still occasional uncertainty regarding the main thrust of > Labnetwork (i.e. general questions about cleanroom operation and > administration vs. more specific questions of more narrow interest), > I'm guessing that some Labnetworkers sometimes don't ask certain > question, out of deference to others... > > If this is the case, does it make sense to create a parallel list, for > instance "Labnetwork - Process" or "Labnetwork - Equipment", where > much more specific questions can be aired without guilt(!), such as > "Has anyone seen a difference between 5x9s purity and 98% purity TMA > in their ALD aluminum oxide?" Or do folks feel it's fine as it is? > I'm thinking a specific process or equipment list might bring in other > folks for whom the general questions have not been sufficiently > relevant to merit their attention. > > Just a thought that came up during the UGIM... > > > Mac Hathaway > Harvard CNS > > _______________________________________________ > labnetwork mailing list > labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu > https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 11936 bytes Desc: not available URL: From reynolds at ece.ucsb.edu Thu Jul 3 17:04:12 2014 From: reynolds at ece.ucsb.edu (Tom Reynolds) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2014 14:04:12 -0700 Subject: [labnetwork] Labnetwork - Process? In-Reply-To: <53B58DCA.3000003@stanford.edu> References: <53B40F68.2090005@cns.fas.harvard.edu> <003601cf960a$a07d2870$e1777950$@henderson@etchedintimeinc.com> <7E8BA3F9-362D-484B-B4F9-9A6B50C9FDA0@mit.edu> <53B58DCA.3000003@stanford.edu> Message-ID: <39e8901cf9702$5772bde0$065839a0$@ece.ucsb.edu> Hi Everyone, I also agree with Vicky and Mary's viewpoints. Thanks, Tom -------------------------------------------------------------- Tom Reynolds, Lab Manager UCSB Nanofabrication Facility Electrical and Computer Engineering Dept. Engineering Science Bldg #225, Room 1109E Santa Barbara, CA 93106 805-893-3918 x215 office 805-451-3979 cell 805-893-3918 fax reynolds at ece.ucsb.edu From: labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] On Behalf Of Mary Tang Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2014 10:07 AM To: Vicky Diadiuk; labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu Network Subject: Re: [labnetwork] Labnetwork - Process? Hi all -- I vote with Vicky. I think it would be hard to separate process, maintenance, and operations. Managing operations, even at a very local tool level, seems to me to require a holistic approach -- if a fabrication process is having a problem, it may be because of equipment issues or maybe the way the tool is managed or shared. I also learn an awful lot from the discussions because the questions asked are generally things I haven't thought of before -- or maybe something I've always wanted to know, but couldn't articulate. So I'm also with Vince, I read most every one that comes through. And yes, I've been Duane'd on one or two overly specific postings which I've learned to redirect to specific individuals... The system works. Mary -- Mary X. Tang, Ph.D. Stanford Nanofabrication Facility Paul G. Allen Bldg 141, Mail Code 4070 Stanford, CA 94305 (650)723-9980 mtang at stanford.edu http://snf.stanford.edu On 7/3/2014 5:11 AM, Vicky Diadiuk wrote: HI, I respectfully but COMPLETELY disagree. MIT (Prof Duane Boning to be precise) has been moderating Labnetwork for years & it's working beautifully. The information one gleans (even if one wasn't explicitly interested before it got asked) is most useful, & participants seem to be pretty relaxed asking specific questions. If the thread gets too detailed, it switches seamlessly to a conversation between the parties. I don't think we need to make rather artificial process, equipment & operations distinctions. If ain't broke ... Happy 4th! Vicky On Jul 2, 2014, at 11:30 AM, Bob Henderson wrote: Mac: I think that is a wonderful idea. As I am more involved in various equipment and process technologies, it would be a good opportunity to help with more specific issues regarding advancements and new equipment available for a variety of nano specific questions and projects. Bob Henderson From: labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] On Behalf Of Mac Hathaway Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2014 6:56 AM To: labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu Subject: [labnetwork] Labnetwork - Process? Hey All, As there is still occasional uncertainty regarding the main thrust of Labnetwork (i.e. general questions about cleanroom operation and administration vs. more specific questions of more narrow interest), I'm guessing that some Labnetworkers sometimes don't ask certain question, out of deference to others... If this is the case, does it make sense to create a parallel list, for instance "Labnetwork - Process" or "Labnetwork - Equipment", where much more specific questions can be aired without guilt(!), such as "Has anyone seen a difference between 5x9s purity and 98% purity TMA in their ALD aluminum oxide?" Or do folks feel it's fine as it is? I'm thinking a specific process or equipment list might bring in other folks for whom the general questions have not been sufficiently relevant to merit their attention. Just a thought that came up during the UGIM... Mac Hathaway Harvard CNS _______________________________________________ labnetwork mailing list labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork _______________________________________________ labnetwork mailing list labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rvanduse at doe.carleton.ca Thu Jul 3 17:31:03 2014 From: rvanduse at doe.carleton.ca (Rob Vandusen) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2014 17:31:03 -0400 Subject: [labnetwork] Labnetwork - Process? In-Reply-To: <53B58DCA.3000003@stanford.edu> References: <53B40F68.2090005@cns.fas.harvard.edu> <003601cf960a$a07d2870$e1777950$@henderson@etchedintimeinc.com> <7E8BA3F9-362D-484B-B4F9-9A6B50C9FDA0@mit.edu> <53B58DCA.3000003@stanford.edu> Message-ID: <015401cf9706$178cb8d0$46a62a70$@doe.carleton.ca> Hi everyone. I also find the current version works well for me. As a fab manager/administrator/equipment tech/process engineer/.. I find all aspects of cleanroom operations and processing relevant to my job. Even though I normally don't have much to add to the discussions I also try to read every message find the information provided very helpful. If separate mailing lists were made I would certainly want to be on all of them. Regards Rob. Robert Vandusen Technical Officer, Microfabrication Lab Electronics Department Carleton University Ottawa, Ont.,Canada 613-520-5761 rvanduse at doe.carleton.ca From: labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] On Behalf Of Mary Tang Sent: July-03-14 1:07 PM To: Vicky Diadiuk; labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu Network Subject: Re: [labnetwork] Labnetwork - Process? Hi all -- I vote with Vicky. I think it would be hard to separate process, maintenance, and operations. Managing operations, even at a very local tool level, seems to me to require a holistic approach -- if a fabrication process is having a problem, it may be because of equipment issues or maybe the way the tool is managed or shared. I also learn an awful lot from the discussions because the questions asked are generally things I haven't thought of before -- or maybe something I've always wanted to know, but couldn't articulate. So I'm also with Vince, I read most every one that comes through. And yes, I've been Duane'd on one or two overly specific postings which I've learned to redirect to specific individuals... The system works. Mary -- Mary X. Tang, Ph.D. Stanford Nanofabrication Facility Paul G. Allen Bldg 141, Mail Code 4070 Stanford, CA 94305 (650)723-9980 mtang at stanford.edu http://snf.stanford.edu On 7/3/2014 5:11 AM, Vicky Diadiuk wrote: HI, I respectfully but COMPLETELY disagree. MIT (Prof Duane Boning to be precise) has been moderating Labnetwork for years & it's working beautifully. The information one gleans (even if one wasn't explicitly interested before it got asked) is most useful, & participants seem to be pretty relaxed asking specific questions. If the thread gets too detailed, it switches seamlessly to a conversation between the parties. I don't think we need to make rather artificial process, equipment & operations distinctions. If ain't broke ... Happy 4th! Vicky On Jul 2, 2014, at 11:30 AM, Bob Henderson wrote: Mac: I think that is a wonderful idea. As I am more involved in various equipment and process technologies, it would be a good opportunity to help with more specific issues regarding advancements and new equipment available for a variety of nano specific questions and projects. Bob Henderson From: labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] On Behalf Of Mac Hathaway Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2014 6:56 AM To: labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu Subject: [labnetwork] Labnetwork - Process? Hey All, As there is still occasional uncertainty regarding the main thrust of Labnetwork (i.e. general questions about cleanroom operation and administration vs. more specific questions of more narrow interest), I'm guessing that some Labnetworkers sometimes don't ask certain question, out of deference to others... If this is the case, does it make sense to create a parallel list, for instance "Labnetwork - Process" or "Labnetwork - Equipment", where much more specific questions can be aired without guilt(!), such as "Has anyone seen a difference between 5x9s purity and 98% purity TMA in their ALD aluminum oxide?" Or do folks feel it's fine as it is? I'm thinking a specific process or equipment list might bring in other folks for whom the general questions have not been sufficiently relevant to merit their attention. Just a thought that came up during the UGIM... Mac Hathaway Harvard CNS _______________________________________________ labnetwork mailing list labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork _______________________________________________ labnetwork mailing list labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fouad.karouta at anu.edu.au Thu Jul 3 19:10:32 2014 From: fouad.karouta at anu.edu.au (Fouad Karouta) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2014 23:10:32 +0000 Subject: [labnetwork] Labnetwork - Process? In-Reply-To: <53B58DCA.3000003@stanford.edu> References: <53B40F68.2090005@cns.fas.harvard.edu> <003601cf960a$a07d2870$e1777950$@henderson@etchedintimeinc.com> <7E8BA3F9-362D-484B-B4F9-9A6B50C9FDA0@mit.edu> <53B58DCA.3000003@stanford.edu> Message-ID: <80b4af79fdb147b0b14ea0342233d482@HKNPR06MB308.apcprd06.prod.outlook.com> Hi all, An interesting discussion but as some others in the last round of emails I am a supporter of one list as long the amount of emails is not excessive which it isn't the case so far. I believe every one of us, depending on interests, can decide whether to read fully or partially any incoming email. Regards, Fouad Karouta ********************************* Manager ANFF ACT Node Australian National Fabrication Facility Research School of Physics and Engineering Australian National University ACT 0200, Canberra, Australia Tel: + 61 2 6125 7174 Mob: + 61 451 046 412 Email: fouad.karouta at anu.edu.au http://anff-act.anu.edu.au/index.htm From: labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] On Behalf Of Mary Tang Sent: Friday, 4 July 2014 3:07 AM To: Vicky Diadiuk; labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu Network Subject: Re: [labnetwork] Labnetwork - Process? Hi all -- I vote with Vicky. I think it would be hard to separate process, maintenance, and operations. Managing operations, even at a very local tool level, seems to me to require a holistic approach -- if a fabrication process is having a problem, it may be because of equipment issues or maybe the way the tool is managed or shared. I also learn an awful lot from the discussions because the questions asked are generally things I haven't thought of before -- or maybe something I've always wanted to know, but couldn't articulate. So I'm also with Vince, I read most every one that comes through. And yes, I've been Duane'd on one or two overly specific postings which I've learned to redirect to specific individuals... The system works. Mary -- Mary X. Tang, Ph.D. Stanford Nanofabrication Facility Paul G. Allen Bldg 141, Mail Code 4070 Stanford, CA 94305 (650)723-9980 mtang at stanford.edu http://snf.stanford.edu On 7/3/2014 5:11 AM, Vicky Diadiuk wrote: HI, I respectfully but COMPLETELY disagree. MIT (Prof Duane Boning to be precise) has been moderating Labnetwork for years & it's working beautifully. The information one gleans (even if one wasn't explicitly interested before it got asked) is most useful, & participants seem to be pretty relaxed asking specific questions. If the thread gets too detailed, it switches seamlessly to a conversation between the parties. I don't think we need to make rather artificial process, equipment & operations distinctions. If ain't broke ... Happy 4th! Vicky On Jul 2, 2014, at 11:30 AM, Bob Henderson wrote: Mac: I think that is a wonderful idea. As I am more involved in various equipment and process technologies, it would be a good opportunity to help with more specific issues regarding advancements and new equipment available for a variety of nano specific questions and projects. Bob Henderson From: labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] On Behalf Of Mac Hathaway Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2014 6:56 AM To: labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu Subject: [labnetwork] Labnetwork - Process? Hey All, As there is still occasional uncertainty regarding the main thrust of Labnetwork (i.e. general questions about cleanroom operation and administration vs. more specific questions of more narrow interest), I'm guessing that some Labnetworkers sometimes don't ask certain question, out of deference to others... If this is the case, does it make sense to create a parallel list, for instance "Labnetwork - Process" or "Labnetwork - Equipment", where much more specific questions can be aired without guilt(!), such as "Has anyone seen a difference between 5x9s purity and 98% purity TMA in their ALD aluminum oxide?" Or do folks feel it's fine as it is? I'm thinking a specific process or equipment list might bring in other folks for whom the general questions have not been sufficiently relevant to merit their attention. Just a thought that came up during the UGIM... Mac Hathaway Harvard CNS _______________________________________________ labnetwork mailing list labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork _______________________________________________ labnetwork mailing list labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mbm at MIT.EDU Thu Jul 3 21:13:09 2014 From: mbm at MIT.EDU (Michael McIlrath) Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2014 21:13:09 -0400 Subject: [labnetwork] Labnetwork - Process? In-Reply-To: <53B40F68.2090005@cns.fas.harvard.edu> References: <53B40F68.2090005@cns.fas.harvard.edu> Message-ID: <53B5FFA5.9040807@mit.edu> Here's a suggestion: put the topic category (e.g. PROCESS, EQUIPMENT,...) in the subject line. If we agree on some category names, you can set up your mail filter to separate the messages into different folders. Mike From sharalee_field at harvard.edu Thu Jul 3 21:41:17 2014 From: sharalee_field at harvard.edu (Field, Sharalee) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2014 01:41:17 +0000 Subject: [labnetwork] Labnetwork - Process? In-Reply-To: <39e8901cf9702$5772bde0$065839a0$@ece.ucsb.edu> References: <53B40F68.2090005@cns.fas.harvard.edu> <003601cf960a$a07d2870$e1777950$@henderson@etchedintimeinc.com> <7E8BA3F9-362D-484B-B4F9-9A6B50C9FDA0@mit.edu> <53B58DCA.3000003@stanford.edu>, <39e8901cf9702$5772bde0$065839a0$@ece.ucsb.edu> Message-ID: Hi all, I'm a lurker from Harvard (planner, so watching for things I should think about changing in the LISE CNS based upon what you all say) and I totally support Vicky's position to keep the list intact. Sharalee Sent from my iPad On Jul 3, 2014, at 21:13, "Tom Reynolds" > wrote: Hi Everyone, I also agree with Vicky and Mary?s viewpoints. Thanks, Tom -------------------------------------------------------------- Tom Reynolds, Lab Manager UCSB Nanofabrication Facility Electrical and Computer Engineering Dept. Engineering Science Bldg #225, Room 1109E Santa Barbara, CA 93106 805-893-3918 x215 office 805-451-3979 cell 805-893-3918 fax reynolds at ece.ucsb.edu From: labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] On Behalf Of Mary Tang Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2014 10:07 AM To: Vicky Diadiuk; labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu Network Subject: Re: [labnetwork] Labnetwork - Process? Hi all -- I vote with Vicky. I think it would be hard to separate process, maintenance, and operations. Managing operations, even at a very local tool level, seems to me to require a holistic approach -- if a fabrication process is having a problem, it may be because of equipment issues or maybe the way the tool is managed or shared. I also learn an awful lot from the discussions because the questions asked are generally things I haven't thought of before -- or maybe something I've always wanted to know, but couldn't articulate. So I'm also with Vince, I read most every one that comes through. And yes, I've been Duane'd on one or two overly specific postings which I've learned to redirect to specific individuals... The system works. Mary -- Mary X. Tang, Ph.D. Stanford Nanofabrication Facility Paul G. Allen Bldg 141, Mail Code 4070 Stanford, CA 94305 (650)723-9980 mtang at stanford.edu http://snf.stanford.edu On 7/3/2014 5:11 AM, Vicky Diadiuk wrote: HI, I respectfully but COMPLETELY disagree. MIT (Prof Duane Boning to be precise) has been moderating Labnetwork for years & it's working beautifully. The information one gleans (even if one wasn't explicitly interested before it got asked) is most useful, & participants seem to be pretty relaxed asking specific questions. If the thread gets too detailed, it switches seamlessly to a conversation between the parties. I don't think we need to make rather artificial process, equipment & operations distinctions. If ain't broke ... Happy 4th! Vicky On Jul 2, 2014, at 11:30 AM, Bob Henderson wrote: Mac: I think that is a wonderful idea. As I am more involved in various equipment and process technologies, it would be a good opportunity to help with more specific issues regarding advancements and new equipment available for a variety of nano specific questions and projects. Bob Henderson From: labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] On Behalf Of Mac Hathaway Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2014 6:56 AM To: labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu Subject: [labnetwork] Labnetwork - Process? Hey All, As there is still occasional uncertainty regarding the main thrust of Labnetwork (i.e. general questions about cleanroom operation and administration vs. more specific questions of more narrow interest), I'm guessing that some Labnetworkers sometimes don't ask certain question, out of deference to others... If this is the case, does it make sense to create a parallel list, for instance "Labnetwork - Process" or "Labnetwork - Equipment", where much more specific questions can be aired without guilt(!), such as "Has anyone seen a difference between 5x9s purity and 98% purity TMA in their ALD aluminum oxide?" Or do folks feel it's fine as it is? I'm thinking a specific process or equipment list might bring in other folks for whom the general questions have not been sufficiently relevant to merit their attention. Just a thought that came up during the UGIM... Mac Hathaway Harvard CNS _______________________________________________ labnetwork mailing list labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork _______________________________________________ labnetwork mailing list labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork _______________________________________________ labnetwork mailing list labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jdeng at cns.fas.harvard.edu Thu Jul 3 22:20:14 2014 From: jdeng at cns.fas.harvard.edu (Deng, Jiangdong) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2014 02:20:14 +0000 Subject: [labnetwork] Labnetwork - Process? In-Reply-To: <53B58DCA.3000003@stanford.edu> References: <53B40F68.2090005@cns.fas.harvard.edu> <003601cf960a$a07d2870$e1777950$@henderson@etchedintimeinc.com> <7E8BA3F9-362D-484B-B4F9-9A6B50C9FDA0@mit.edu> <53B58DCA.3000003@stanford.edu> Message-ID: <03BE224832F7D64A86F3D080E282DDD7ACBE4466@harvandmbx05.fasmail.priv> Hi, Dear All, I agree with Mary, and Vicky. It is hard to draw a line between process and tool maintenance. Reading the messages from all aspects of cleanroom operation in the past years, I have learned a lot in this network. The current version works for me. BTW, nice to meet lots of you in UGIM. Hope you enjoy the RedSox game and the CNS lab tour (a bit rush in the last minutes, sorry!) . please let us know if you have any suggestion. We are always learning:) Have a nice July 4th! -JD Jiangdong (JD) Deng, Ph.D Senior Principal Scientist Manager for Nanofabrication Facility Center for Nanoscale Systems (CNS) Harvard University Tel: 617-495-3396 (office) website:www.cns.fas.harvard.edu From: labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] On Behalf Of Mary Tang Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2014 1:07 PM To: Vicky Diadiuk; labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu Network Subject: Re: [labnetwork] Labnetwork - Process? Hi all -- I vote with Vicky. I think it would be hard to separate process, maintenance, and operations. Managing operations, even at a very local tool level, seems to me to require a holistic approach -- if a fabrication process is having a problem, it may be because of equipment issues or maybe the way the tool is managed or shared. I also learn an awful lot from the discussions because the questions asked are generally things I haven't thought of before -- or maybe something I've always wanted to know, but couldn't articulate. So I'm also with Vince, I read most every one that comes through. And yes, I've been Duane'd on one or two overly specific postings which I've learned to redirect to specific individuals... The system works. Mary -- Mary X. Tang, Ph.D. Stanford Nanofabrication Facility Paul G. Allen Bldg 141, Mail Code 4070 Stanford, CA 94305 (650)723-9980 mtang at stanford.edu http://snf.stanford.edu On 7/3/2014 5:11 AM, Vicky Diadiuk wrote: HI, I respectfully but COMPLETELY disagree. MIT (Prof Duane Boning to be precise) has been moderating Labnetwork for years & it's working beautifully. The information one gleans (even if one wasn't explicitly interested before it got asked) is most useful, & participants seem to be pretty relaxed asking specific questions. If the thread gets too detailed, it switches seamlessly to a conversation between the parties. I don't think we need to make rather artificial process, equipment & operations distinctions. If ain't broke ... Happy 4th! Vicky On Jul 2, 2014, at 11:30 AM, Bob Henderson wrote: Mac: I think that is a wonderful idea. As I am more involved in various equipment and process technologies, it would be a good opportunity to help with more specific issues regarding advancements and new equipment available for a variety of nano specific questions and projects. Bob Henderson From: labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] On Behalf Of Mac Hathaway Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2014 6:56 AM To: labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu Subject: [labnetwork] Labnetwork - Process? Hey All, As there is still occasional uncertainty regarding the main thrust of Labnetwork (i.e. general questions about cleanroom operation and administration vs. more specific questions of more narrow interest), I'm guessing that some Labnetworkers sometimes don't ask certain question, out of deference to others... If this is the case, does it make sense to create a parallel list, for instance "Labnetwork - Process" or "Labnetwork - Equipment", where much more specific questions can be aired without guilt(!), such as "Has anyone seen a difference between 5x9s purity and 98% purity TMA in their ALD aluminum oxide?" Or do folks feel it's fine as it is? I'm thinking a specific process or equipment list might bring in other folks for whom the general questions have not been sufficiently relevant to merit their attention. Just a thought that came up during the UGIM... Mac Hathaway Harvard CNS _______________________________________________ labnetwork mailing list labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork _______________________________________________ labnetwork mailing list labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fouad.karouta at anu.edu.au Thu Jul 3 22:43:31 2014 From: fouad.karouta at anu.edu.au (Fouad Karouta) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2014 02:43:31 +0000 Subject: [labnetwork] Heated gas lines In-Reply-To: <000001cf9705$11c99d10$355cd730$@henderson@etchedintimeinc.com> References: <53B59F59.70901@mcgill.ca> <000001cf9705$11c99d10$355cd730$@henderson@etchedintimeinc.com> Message-ID: <90ef71d2322f450c9e524da02c1bb4a8@HKNPR06MB308.apcprd06.prod.outlook.com> Dear Matthieu, Our BCl3 is located in a gas cabinet in a gas shed outside our lab at about 8m of the ICP system. We heat the line (35?C) from the process valve on the gas panel till the begin of the gasline in the system gaspod. We don't use a gradual heating so don't exclude that such a gradient exists as our heater regulator is located near the ICP system. We never had flow problems. Another point worth mentioning: We do have a pressure regulator on the cylinder and recently we experienced a problem with a C4F8 cylinder used without any pressure regulator (as inherently it has low vapour pressure) and despite heating the line we get an intermittent flow and this was solved when we retrofitted a pressure regulator with a gauge on the secondary side. I believe the gauge helped to get a regular flow out of the cylinder maintaining a constant pressure in the line after the gauge. Kind regards, Fouad Karouta ********************************* Manager ANFF ACT Node Australian National Fabrication Facility Research School of Physics and Engineering Australian National University ACT 0200, Canberra, Australia Tel: + 61 2 6125 7174 Mob: + 61 451 046 412 Email: fouad.karouta at anu.edu.au http://anff-act.anu.edu.au/index.htm -----Original Message----- From: labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] On Behalf Of Bob Henderson Sent: Friday, 4 July 2014 7:24 AM To: 'Matthieu Nannini'; labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu Subject: Re: [labnetwork] Heated gas lines Matthieu: It has been my recent experience depending on which gas and its vapor pressure to locate the source bottle as close to your reactor gas inlet as possible. Be sure to use the appropriate flow controller such as an MKS 1150C and heat tape the lines from your source bottle to the flowmeter and the lines leading into your chamber for best results. You can also contact Tom Britton who is a frequent contributor to this site as they are in this business and know what they are talking about. Bob Henderson -----Original Message----- From: labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] On Behalf Of Matthieu Nannini Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2014 11:22 AM To: labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu Subject: [labnetwork] Heated gas lines Dear colleagues, We are undergoing an analysis of our gas network and I would like to get the best practices out there. For gases that need to be heated in order to avoid condensation, is it best to have the cabinet as close as possible to the tool ? Or, if one wants to consolidates all gases in the same area, could we have them far away ? if yes, how do you address the condensation issue. Thanks -- ----------------------------------- Matthieu Nannini McGill Nanotools Microfab _______________________________________________ labnetwork mailing list labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork _______________________________________________ labnetwork mailing list labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork From agregg at abbiegregg.com Fri Jul 4 00:49:48 2014 From: agregg at abbiegregg.com (Abbie Gregg) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2014 00:49:48 -0400 Subject: [labnetwork] Labnetwork - Process? In-Reply-To: <7E8BA3F9-362D-484B-B4F9-9A6B50C9FDA0@mit.edu> References: <53B40F68.2090005@cns.fas.harvard.edu> <003601cf960a$a07d2870$e1777950$@henderson@etchedintimeinc.com> <7E8BA3F9-362D-484B-B4F9-9A6B50C9FDA0@mit.edu> Message-ID: <5863FB4055D90542A7A7DAE0CEF2ACB00E887C5D11@E2K7CCR1.netvigour.com> I agree with Vicky... and others, like the one list is working.... 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From: labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] On Behalf Of Vicky Diadiuk Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2014 5:11 AM To: labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu Network Subject: Re: [labnetwork] Labnetwork - Process? HI, I respectfully but COMPLETELY disagree. MIT (Prof Duane Boning to be precise) has been moderating Labnetwork for years & it's working beautifully. The information one gleans (even if one wasn't explicitly interested before it got asked) is most useful, & participants seem to be pretty relaxed asking specific questions. If the thread gets too detailed, it switches seamlessly to a conversation between the parties. I don't think we need to make rather artificial process, equipment & operations distinctions. If ain't broke ... Happy 4th! Vicky On Jul 2, 2014, at 11:30 AM, Bob Henderson wrote: Mac: I think that is a wonderful idea. As I am more involved in various equipment and process technologies, it would be a good opportunity to help with more specific issues regarding advancements and new equipment available for a variety of nano specific questions and projects. Bob Henderson From: labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] On Behalf Of Mac Hathaway Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2014 6:56 AM To: labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu Subject: [labnetwork] Labnetwork - Process? Hey All, As there is still occasional uncertainty regarding the main thrust of Labnetwork (i.e. general questions about cleanroom operation and administration vs. more specific questions of more narrow interest), I'm guessing that some Labnetworkers sometimes don't ask certain question, out of deference to others... If this is the case, does it make sense to create a parallel list, for instance "Labnetwork - Process" or "Labnetwork - Equipment", where much more specific questions can be aired without guilt(!), such as "Has anyone seen a difference between 5x9s purity and 98% purity TMA in their ALD aluminum oxide?" Or do folks feel it's fine as it is? I'm thinking a specific process or equipment list might bring in other folks for whom the general questions have not been sufficiently relevant to merit their attention. Just a thought that came up during the UGIM... Mac Hathaway Harvard CNS _______________________________________________ labnetwork mailing list labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From boning at mtl.mit.edu Fri Jul 4 09:12:57 2014 From: boning at mtl.mit.edu (Duane Boning) Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2014 09:12:57 -0400 Subject: [labnetwork] Labnetwork - Process? In-Reply-To: <53B5BE41.9060004@mcgill.ca> References: <53B40F68.2090005@cns.fas.harvard.edu> <0D1ABD6DF2541B42A05BD6E6D36954110128B38BD2@EXMBX03.ad.louisville.edu> <53B5BE41.9060004@mcgill.ca> Message-ID: <53B6A859.7010508@mtl.mit.edu> Hello all, Thanks for the helpful dialog on the list, and the question of splitting it. Based on what I've heard, I will stick with the single integrated labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu mailing list. I am making one change based on the discussion: I'll try to make the archive pages searchable. As Matthieu notes, the archives are available through the link at the bottom of all labnetwork emails; they are standard mailman archives organized by date, thread, or subject. But unfortunately mailman doesn't directly have a search facility. Fortunately, it looks like a good solution is relatively simple: I can open up the archives so that they can be indexed by Google. It may take a few days for the Google crawlers to walk the pages and include in its index, but hopefully in the future you can do searches for something like "labnetwork aaa bbb ccc" and get connected up to relevant posts in the archives. Take care, /Duane On 7/3/2014 4:34 PM, Matthieu Nannini wrote: > Dear colleagues, > > Is the list searchable ? I know one can browse the list archives > but can you search it ? > That would be the only downside of the mailing list if it wasn't > searchable and maybe switching to a "one subject" forum engine > like phpBB would be useful for search purposes if we don't want > the questions to be duplicated. > > -- > ----------------------------------- > Matthieu Nannini > McGill Nanotools Microfab > >> Walsh,Kevin M. >> 3 juillet 2014 11:03 >> >> I vote for 1 listserve >> >> >> >> *Dr. Kevin M. Walsh* >> >> Ky nanoNET Director >> >> Samuel T. Fife Professor of Electrical and Computer Engineering >> Founding Director of the UofL Micro/Nanotechnology Center >> >> 2210 South Brook St >> >> Shumaker Research Building, Room 234 >> >> Louisville, KY 40292 >> >> Office # (502) 852-0826 >> >> Fax # (502) 852-8128 >> >> *http://kynanonet.org/* >> >> Description: Capture for email signature** >> >> >> >> *From:*labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu >> [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] *On Behalf Of *Morrison, >> Richard H., Jr. >> *Sent:* Thursday, July 03, 2014 9:14 AM >> *To:* Mac Hathaway; labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu >> *Subject:* Re: [labnetwork] Labnetwork - Process? >> >> >> >> I vote that we keep just one Labnet list. It will just make more >> work for the person whom moderates the list today. I suggest >> that we can ask any questions related to fab work including >> process questions. >> >> >> >> Rick >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:*labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu >> >> [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] *On Behalf Of *Mac Hathaway >> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 02, 2014 9:56 AM >> *To:* labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu >> *Subject:* [labnetwork] Labnetwork - Process? >> >> >> >> Hey All, >> >> As there is still occasional uncertainty regarding the main >> thrust of Labnetwork (i.e. general questions about cleanroom >> operation and administration vs. more specific questions of more >> narrow interest), I'm guessing that some Labnetworkers sometimes >> don't ask certain question, out of deference to others... >> >> If this is the case, does it make sense to create a parallel >> list, for instance "Labnetwork - Process" or "Labnetwork - >> Equipment", where much more specific questions can be aired >> without guilt(!), such as "Has anyone seen a difference between >> 5x9s purity and 98% purity TMA in their ALD aluminum oxide?" Or >> do folks feel it's fine as it is? I'm thinking a specific >> process or equipment list might bring in other folks for whom >> the general questions have not been sufficiently relevant to >> merit their attention. >> >> Just a thought that came up during the UGIM... >> >> >> Mac Hathaway >> Harvard CNS >> >> _______________________________________________ >> labnetwork mailing list >> labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu >> https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork >> Morrison, Richard H., Jr. >> 3 juillet 2014 09:14 >> >> I vote that we keep just one Labnet list. It will just make more >> work for the person whom moderates the list today. I suggest >> that we can ask any questions related to fab work including >> process questions. >> >> >> >> Rick >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:*labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu >> [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] *On Behalf Of *Mac Hathaway >> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 02, 2014 9:56 AM >> *To:* labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu >> *Subject:* [labnetwork] Labnetwork - Process? >> >> >> >> Hey All, >> >> As there is still occasional uncertainty regarding the main >> thrust of Labnetwork (i.e. general questions about cleanroom >> operation and administration vs. more specific questions of more >> narrow interest), I'm guessing that some Labnetworkers sometimes >> don't ask certain question, out of deference to others... >> >> If this is the case, does it make sense to create a parallel >> list, for instance "Labnetwork - Process" or "Labnetwork - >> Equipment", where much more specific questions can be aired >> without guilt(!), such as "Has anyone seen a difference between >> 5x9s purity and 98% purity TMA in their ALD aluminum oxide?" Or >> do folks feel it's fine as it is? I'm thinking a specific >> process or equipment list might bring in other folks for whom >> the general questions have not been sufficiently relevant to >> merit their attention. >> >> Just a thought that came up during the UGIM... >> >> >> Mac Hathaway >> Harvard CNS >> >> _______________________________________________ >> labnetwork mailing list >> labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu >> https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork > > > _______________________________________________ > labnetwork mailing list > labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu > https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork > From shott at stanford.edu Fri Jul 4 12:46:52 2014 From: shott at stanford.edu (John Shott) Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2014 09:46:52 -0700 Subject: [labnetwork] Labnetwork - Process? In-Reply-To: <53B6A859.7010508@mtl.mit.edu> References: <53B40F68.2090005@cns.fas.harvard.edu> <0D1ABD6DF2541B42A05BD6E6D36954110128B38BD2@EXMBX03.ad.louisville.edu> <53B5BE41.9060004@mcgill.ca> <53B6A859.7010508@mtl.mit.edu> Message-ID: <53B6DA7C.3050506@stanford.edu> Duane et al: This seems like a valuable addition to make the labnetwork archives searchable. While the name labnetwork in the search string will certainly constrain the search a great deal, I think that you can also get a more focused search more quickly if you localize the search to the site www-mtl.mit.edu with a search string such as: labnetwork your search keys here site:www-mtl.mit.edu While the recent archives aren't yet included, I just compared searching for: labnetwork chlorine and labnetwork chlorine site:www-mtl.mit.edu The non-site-specific search returned 6,150 results .... most of which included the terms "lab" and "network" separately and are likely not what you were hoping for ... whereas the second site-specific search localized to www-mtl.mit.edu returned only 16 entries from the pre-2007 archives. Thanks again for all of your efforts Duane on behalf of the entire labnetwork community and happy lab management to all, John On 7/4/2014 6:12 AM, Duane Boning wrote: > Hello all, > > Thanks for the helpful dialog on the list, and the question of > splitting it. Based on what I've heard, I will stick with the > single integrated labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu mailing list. > > I am making one change based on the discussion: I'll try to make > the archive pages searchable. > > As Matthieu notes, the archives are available through the link > at the bottom of all labnetwork emails; they are standard mailman > archives organized by date, thread, or subject. But unfortunately > mailman doesn't directly have a search facility. > > Fortunately, it looks like a good solution is relatively simple: > I can open up the archives so that they can be indexed by Google. > It may take a few days for the Google crawlers to walk the pages > and include in its index, but hopefully in the future you can do > searches for something like "labnetwork aaa bbb ccc" and get > connected up to relevant posts in the archives. > > Take care, > /Duane > > On 7/3/2014 4:34 PM, Matthieu Nannini wrote: >> Dear colleagues, >> >> Is the list searchable ? I know one can browse the list archives >> but can you search it ? >> That would be the only downside of the mailing list if it wasn't >> searchable and maybe switching to a "one subject" forum engine >> like phpBB would be useful for search purposes if we don't want >> the questions to be duplicated. >> >> -- >> ----------------------------------- >> Matthieu Nannini >> McGill Nanotools Microfab >> >>> Walsh,Kevin M. >>> 3 juillet 2014 11:03 >>> >>> I vote for 1 listserve >>> >>> >>> >>> *Dr. Kevin M. Walsh* >>> >>> Ky nanoNET Director >>> >>> Samuel T. Fife Professor of Electrical and Computer Engineering >>> Founding Director of the UofL Micro/Nanotechnology Center >>> >>> 2210 South Brook St >>> >>> Shumaker Research Building, Room 234 >>> >>> Louisville, KY 40292 >>> >>> Office # (502) 852-0826 >>> >>> Fax # (502) 852-8128 >>> >>> *http://kynanonet.org/* >>> >>> Description: Capture for email signature** >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:*labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu >>> [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] *On Behalf Of *Morrison, >>> Richard H., Jr. >>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 03, 2014 9:14 AM >>> *To:* Mac Hathaway; labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu >>> *Subject:* Re: [labnetwork] Labnetwork - Process? >>> >>> >>> >>> I vote that we keep just one Labnet list. It will just make more >>> work for the person whom moderates the list today. I suggest >>> that we can ask any questions related to fab work including >>> process questions. >>> >>> >>> >>> Rick >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:*labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu >>> >>> [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] *On Behalf Of *Mac Hathaway >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 02, 2014 9:56 AM >>> *To:* labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu >>> *Subject:* [labnetwork] Labnetwork - Process? >>> >>> >>> >>> Hey All, >>> >>> As there is still occasional uncertainty regarding the main >>> thrust of Labnetwork (i.e. general questions about cleanroom >>> operation and administration vs. more specific questions of more >>> narrow interest), I'm guessing that some Labnetworkers sometimes >>> don't ask certain question, out of deference to others... >>> >>> If this is the case, does it make sense to create a parallel >>> list, for instance "Labnetwork - Process" or "Labnetwork - >>> Equipment", where much more specific questions can be aired >>> without guilt(!), such as "Has anyone seen a difference between >>> 5x9s purity and 98% purity TMA in their ALD aluminum oxide?" Or >>> do folks feel it's fine as it is? I'm thinking a specific >>> process or equipment list might bring in other folks for whom >>> the general questions have not been sufficiently relevant to >>> merit their attention. >>> >>> Just a thought that came up during the UGIM... >>> >>> >>> Mac Hathaway >>> Harvard CNS >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> labnetwork mailing list >>> labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu >>> https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork >>> Morrison, Richard H., Jr. >>> 3 juillet 2014 09:14 >>> >>> I vote that we keep just one Labnet list. It will just make more >>> work for the person whom moderates the list today. I suggest >>> that we can ask any questions related to fab work including >>> process questions. >>> >>> >>> >>> Rick >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:*labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu >>> [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] *On Behalf Of *Mac Hathaway >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 02, 2014 9:56 AM >>> *To:* labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu >>> *Subject:* [labnetwork] Labnetwork - Process? >>> >>> >>> >>> Hey All, >>> >>> As there is still occasional uncertainty regarding the main >>> thrust of Labnetwork (i.e. general questions about cleanroom >>> operation and administration vs. more specific questions of more >>> narrow interest), I'm guessing that some Labnetworkers sometimes >>> don't ask certain question, out of deference to others... >>> >>> If this is the case, does it make sense to create a parallel >>> list, for instance "Labnetwork - Process" or "Labnetwork - >>> Equipment", where much more specific questions can be aired >>> without guilt(!), such as "Has anyone seen a difference between >>> 5x9s purity and 98% purity TMA in their ALD aluminum oxide?" Or >>> do folks feel it's fine as it is? I'm thinking a specific >>> process or equipment list might bring in other folks for whom >>> the general questions have not been sufficiently relevant to >>> merit their attention. >>> >>> Just a thought that came up during the UGIM... >>> >>> >>> Mac Hathaway >>> Harvard CNS >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> labnetwork mailing list >>> labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu >>> https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork >> >> _______________________________________________ >> labnetwork mailing list >> labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu >> https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork >> > _______________________________________________ > labnetwork mailing list > labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu > https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork From hathaway at cns.fas.harvard.edu Sun Jul 6 08:56:58 2014 From: hathaway at cns.fas.harvard.edu (Hathaway, Malcolm) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2014 12:56:58 +0000 Subject: [labnetwork] Labnetwork - Process? In-Reply-To: <53B6DA7C.3050506@stanford.edu> References: <53B40F68.2090005@cns.fas.harvard.edu> <0D1ABD6DF2541B42A05BD6E6D36954110128B38BD2@EXMBX03.ad.louisville.edu> <53B5BE41.9060004@mcgill.ca> <53B6A859.7010508@mtl.mit.edu>,<53B6DA7C.3050506@stanford.edu> Message-ID: Hello All, Well, I think we were able to reach concensus after all! Sounds like folks are happy (as I am) with Labnetwork as it is. Just to clarify, I imagined that if we had two lists (Say Labnetwork "Classic" and Labnetwork "Process/Equipment") most everyone would subscribe to both, so no knowledge or intriguing questions would be lost. The goal would be to more explicitly invite broader topics and to bring in other voices, which could only make the on-going forum that much more rich and interesting. That said, I think it is a rousing affirmation of Duane's vision, and a credit to his dedication how so many have weighed in in favor of the current approach. A search function, or making the archives searchable, will be a very valuable addition. Mike's idea of simply putting the general topic category in the Subject line will probably help, as well. Happy Fourth of July! Mac Harvard CNS ________________________________________ From: labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu [labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] on behalf of John Shott [shott at stanford.edu] Sent: Friday, July 04, 2014 12:46 PM To: Duane Boning; labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu Subject: Re: [labnetwork] Labnetwork - Process? Duane et al: This seems like a valuable addition to make the labnetwork archives searchable. While the name labnetwork in the search string will certainly constrain the search a great deal, I think that you can also get a more focused search more quickly if you localize the search to the site www-mtl.mit.edu with a search string such as: labnetwork your search keys here site:www-mtl.mit.edu While the recent archives aren't yet included, I just compared searching for: labnetwork chlorine and labnetwork chlorine site:www-mtl.mit.edu The non-site-specific search returned 6,150 results .... most of which included the terms "lab" and "network" separately and are likely not what you were hoping for ... whereas the second site-specific search localized to www-mtl.mit.edu returned only 16 entries from the pre-2007 archives. Thanks again for all of your efforts Duane on behalf of the entire labnetwork community and happy lab management to all, John On 7/4/2014 6:12 AM, Duane Boning wrote: > Hello all, > > Thanks for the helpful dialog on the list, and the question of > splitting it. Based on what I've heard, I will stick with the > single integrated labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu mailing list. > > I am making one change based on the discussion: I'll try to make > the archive pages searchable. > > As Matthieu notes, the archives are available through the link > at the bottom of all labnetwork emails; they are standard mailman > archives organized by date, thread, or subject. But unfortunately > mailman doesn't directly have a search facility. > > Fortunately, it looks like a good solution is relatively simple: > I can open up the archives so that they can be indexed by Google. > It may take a few days for the Google crawlers to walk the pages > and include in its index, but hopefully in the future you can do > searches for something like "labnetwork aaa bbb ccc" and get > connected up to relevant posts in the archives. > > Take care, > /Duane > > On 7/3/2014 4:34 PM, Matthieu Nannini wrote: >> Dear colleagues, >> >> Is the list searchable ? I know one can browse the list archives >> but can you search it ? >> That would be the only downside of the mailing list if it wasn't >> searchable and maybe switching to a "one subject" forum engine >> like phpBB would be useful for search purposes if we don't want >> the questions to be duplicated. >> >> -- >> ----------------------------------- >> Matthieu Nannini >> McGill Nanotools Microfab >> >>> Walsh,Kevin M. >>> 3 juillet 2014 11:03 >>> >>> I vote for 1 listserve >>> >>> >>> >>> *Dr. Kevin M. Walsh* >>> >>> Ky nanoNET Director >>> >>> Samuel T. Fife Professor of Electrical and Computer Engineering >>> Founding Director of the UofL Micro/Nanotechnology Center >>> >>> 2210 South Brook St >>> >>> Shumaker Research Building, Room 234 >>> >>> Louisville, KY 40292 >>> >>> Office # (502) 852-0826 >>> >>> Fax # (502) 852-8128 >>> >>> *http://kynanonet.org/* >>> >>> Description: Capture for email signature** >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:*labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu >>> [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] *On Behalf Of *Morrison, >>> Richard H., Jr. >>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 03, 2014 9:14 AM >>> *To:* Mac Hathaway; labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu >>> *Subject:* Re: [labnetwork] Labnetwork - Process? >>> >>> >>> >>> I vote that we keep just one Labnet list. It will just make more >>> work for the person whom moderates the list today. I suggest >>> that we can ask any questions related to fab work including >>> process questions. >>> >>> >>> >>> Rick >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:*labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu >>> >>> [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] *On Behalf Of *Mac Hathaway >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 02, 2014 9:56 AM >>> *To:* labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu >>> *Subject:* [labnetwork] Labnetwork - Process? >>> >>> >>> >>> Hey All, >>> >>> As there is still occasional uncertainty regarding the main >>> thrust of Labnetwork (i.e. general questions about cleanroom >>> operation and administration vs. more specific questions of more >>> narrow interest), I'm guessing that some Labnetworkers sometimes >>> don't ask certain question, out of deference to others... >>> >>> If this is the case, does it make sense to create a parallel >>> list, for instance "Labnetwork - Process" or "Labnetwork - >>> Equipment", where much more specific questions can be aired >>> without guilt(!), such as "Has anyone seen a difference between >>> 5x9s purity and 98% purity TMA in their ALD aluminum oxide?" Or >>> do folks feel it's fine as it is? I'm thinking a specific >>> process or equipment list might bring in other folks for whom >>> the general questions have not been sufficiently relevant to >>> merit their attention. >>> >>> Just a thought that came up during the UGIM... >>> >>> >>> Mac Hathaway >>> Harvard CNS >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> labnetwork mailing list >>> labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu >>> https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork >>> Morrison, Richard H., Jr. >>> 3 juillet 2014 09:14 >>> >>> I vote that we keep just one Labnet list. It will just make more >>> work for the person whom moderates the list today. I suggest >>> that we can ask any questions related to fab work including >>> process questions. >>> >>> >>> >>> Rick >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:*labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu >>> [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] *On Behalf Of *Mac Hathaway >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 02, 2014 9:56 AM >>> *To:* labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu >>> *Subject:* [labnetwork] Labnetwork - Process? >>> >>> >>> >>> Hey All, >>> >>> As there is still occasional uncertainty regarding the main >>> thrust of Labnetwork (i.e. general questions about cleanroom >>> operation and administration vs. more specific questions of more >>> narrow interest), I'm guessing that some Labnetworkers sometimes >>> don't ask certain question, out of deference to others... >>> >>> If this is the case, does it make sense to create a parallel >>> list, for instance "Labnetwork - Process" or "Labnetwork - >>> Equipment", where much more specific questions can be aired >>> without guilt(!), such as "Has anyone seen a difference between >>> 5x9s purity and 98% purity TMA in their ALD aluminum oxide?" Or >>> do folks feel it's fine as it is? I'm thinking a specific >>> process or equipment list might bring in other folks for whom >>> the general questions have not been sufficiently relevant to >>> merit their attention. >>> >>> Just a thought that came up during the UGIM... >>> >>> >>> Mac Hathaway >>> Harvard CNS >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> labnetwork mailing list >>> labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu >>> https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork >> >> _______________________________________________ >> labnetwork mailing list >> labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu >> https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork >> > _______________________________________________ > labnetwork mailing list > labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu > https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork _______________________________________________ labnetwork mailing list labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork From skotru at eng.ua.edu Wed Jul 9 13:14:49 2014 From: skotru at eng.ua.edu (Kotru, Sushma) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2014 12:14:49 -0500 Subject: [labnetwork] Vendor for glasscutting/polishing Message-ID: <2FE9F619592E8A4382310F62E7F063110207579D052F@MAIL1.ua-net.ua.edu> Hi All, We had an accident with the glass jar on our Denton Sputtering unit. It dropped from the cage and has a slight crack on the rim. We would like to get it fixed by cutting/polishing. Does anyone have any contact name/no. for anyone who deal with this type of work? Thanks Sushma Sushma Kotru, Ph.D. Associate Professor Electrical and Computer Engineering 234 NERC The University of Alabama Tuscaloosa, AL 35487-0286 PHONE: 205-348-7235 FAX: 205-348-6959 Email: skotru at eng.ua.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From boning at mtl.mit.edu Wed Jul 9 16:20:46 2014 From: boning at mtl.mit.edu (Duane Boning) Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2014 16:20:46 -0400 Subject: [labnetwork] Job posting - Associate Director of Operations - MIT.nano Message-ID: <53BDA41E.3050803@mtl.mit.edu> *Associate Director of Operations* Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) There is a principal research engineer position available in MIT's new central nanofabrication, characterization, and prototyping building (known as MIT.nano). ?During the construction, the associate director of operations will be the main point of contact with MIT Facilities staff as well as with consultants, architects, and tradespeople involved in the construction of the building; oversee all engineering aspects of construction, space-planning and equipment facilitation and represent the needs of MIT.nano faculty, users and staff; and ensure that the equipment within the facility is operational and ready for users. ?After the building opens, the role will evolve to providing the technical leadership necessary for students, staff, and faculty to carry out state-of-the-art research in a wide variety of technical research fields. ?Will also be expected to develop new technological capabilities as deemed necessary by research projects; and exercise managerial responsibility over the technical staff that will assist her/him, including establishing and maintaining operational and fiscal controls. Requirements: ?Doctoral degree in electrical, mechanical, chemical engineering; materials science; or physics ?Five years of experience in semiconductor process facilities ?Experience in the design, operation, and maintenance of cleanroom facilities for semiconductor/materials fabrication and characterization ?Direct experience with HVAC, electric power, piping and plumbing systems, exhaust fans, and other building machinery infrastructure systems ?Knowledgeable regarding process-specific aspects of semiconductor/materials fabrication ?Experience in process development and tool capabilities ?Expertise in device science, fabrication, and characterization ?Experience with the facilities requirements of cleanroom processing equipment and cleanroom and laboratory safety systems Interested candidates may apply online at http://jobs.mit.edu/. Please reference job number 11314 and indicate where you saw this posting. */MIT is an equal opportunity/affirmative action employer. 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Best, Milan Begliarbekov, Ph.D. | Technical Cleanroom Manager CUNY Advanced Science Research Center 85 St. Nicholas Terrace, Manhattan, NY 10031 O 646-664-8913 M 917-624-7843 F 646-664-2965 [cid:image003.jpg at 01CF9B90.868961A0] . asrc.cuny.edu From: labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] On Behalf Of Kotru, Sushma Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 1:15 PM To: labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu Cc: Vaishali Batra (vbatra at crimson.ua.edu) Subject: [labnetwork] Vendor for glasscutting/polishing Hi All, We had an accident with the glass jar on our Denton Sputtering unit. It dropped from the cage and has a slight crack on the rim. We would like to get it fixed by cutting/polishing. Does anyone have any contact name/no. for anyone who deal with this type of work? Thanks Sushma Sushma Kotru, Ph.D. Associate Professor Electrical and Computer Engineering 234 NERC The University of Alabama Tuscaloosa, AL 35487-0286 PHONE: 205-348-7235 FAX: 205-348-6959 Email: skotru at eng.ua.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 16058 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Quartz International Corp (Quartz International) 5601 Balloon Fiesta Pkwy NE #B Albuquerque, NM 87113 Phone: (505) 797-7500 Thanks, Craig Cheney Description: cid:image001.jpg at 01C7E19F.47FFBAE0 Desk: (608)834-4200 Fax: (608)834-4299 Cell: (608)438-8714 This e-mail transmission and any attachments to it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, your use, forwarding, printing, storing, disseminating, distribution, or copying of this communication is prohibited. If you received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this message and delete it from your computer. From: labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] On Behalf Of Kotru, Sushma Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 12:15 PM To: labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu Cc: Vaishali Batra (vbatra at crimson.ua.edu) Subject: [labnetwork] Vendor for glasscutting/polishing Hi All, We had an accident with the glass jar on our Denton Sputtering unit. It dropped from the cage and has a slight crack on the rim. We would like to get it fixed by cutting/polishing. Does anyone have any contact name/no. for anyone who deal with this type of work? Thanks Sushma Sushma Kotru, Ph.D. Associate Professor Electrical and Computer Engineering 234 NERC The University of Alabama Tuscaloosa, AL 35487-0286 PHONE: 205-348-7235 FAX: 205-348-6959 Email: skotru at eng.ua.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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PCL has a very low melting point, 60 C, can this CVD be done under room temperature? Any help or advise would be greatly appreciated. And if anyone out there can support this growth I can have our researcher contact you for collaboration as needed. Thank you, -Len Leonard E. Olona University Cleanroom Manager University of Oklahoma 110 West Boyd Street Rm 550 Norman, Oklahoma 73019 D: +1- 405 325-4374 C: +1- 405 630-9068 F: +1- 405 325-7066 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rreger at purdue.edu Thu Jul 10 10:07:04 2014 From: rreger at purdue.edu (Reger, Ronald K) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 14:07:04 +0000 Subject: [labnetwork] Research Engineering Position Open at Purdue Message-ID: Dear All, The Birck Nanotechnology Center at Purdue University currently has an opening for a Research Engineer to work in our plasma deposition and etch area. See description below. Description Birck Nanotechnology Center (BNC)seeks a research engineer to work with plasma deposition and etching processes and equipment. The responsibilities include process development and maintenance, equipment development and maintenance, and the training and educating of users of the equipment. It involves extensive time in the Birck Nanotechnology Center clean room. Qualifications Required: Master's degree in Electrical Engineering, Mechanical Engineering, Physics, Applied Physics or closely related field. One years' experience with plasma etching and deposition equipment repair and process development. Complete knowledge of semiconductor plasma etch & deposition. Ability to develop processes, to design and to repair plasma etch and deposition systems. Hands-on skills and interest are required. Excellent communication and interpersonal skills, and the ability to carry out several projects simultaneously. Ability to lead independent research and possess a strong commitment to collaborate effectively with internal/external researchers. Additional Information: A background check is required for employment in this position. FLSA: Exempt (Not Eligible For Overtime). Retirement Eligibility: Defined Contributions Waiting Period. Purdue University is an EEO/AA employer. All individuals, including minorities, women, individuals with disabilities and protected veterans are encouraged to apply. The job opening link is: http://purdue.taleo.net/careersection/wl/joblist.ftl?lang=en&portal=10140480283 and the job number is 1401967. Please pass this along to anyone who might be interested. Thanks! Ron Reger Engineering Manager Birck Nanotechnology Center Purdue University -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From IRHarvey at eng.utah.edu Thu Jul 10 10:11:51 2014 From: IRHarvey at eng.utah.edu (Ian Harvey) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 08:11:51 -0600 Subject: [labnetwork] STS owners: third party (or original parts supplier) source for ESC? In-Reply-To: References: <49510757561B8E4EB8076830B69BF2774E88DA46@ex-mbx1b.uark.edu> <8F95EA77ACBF904A861E580B44288EFD9CA20B3B9B@FASXCH02.fasmail.priv> Message-ID: Dear STS owners among Labnetwork Colleagues, We now have our used STS ASPECT DRIE online, and have likely discovered one of the key reasons this unit was originally placed on the used market: the electrostatic chuck indicates localized plasma/heat damage, and we therefore have erratic backside cooling and nonuniform etching. Any hints from battle-wizened colleagues on where to source parts for STS systems, particularly items such as chucks that STS themselves likely source from others? Best practices for working with STS? Thank you! ?Ian p.s. As suggested by John Shott and Duane Boning (many thanks!) I used and bookmarked the google search: labnetwork STS parts supplier site:www-mtl.mit.edu ...along with a few other search terms. This gave me the confidence that the question had likely not been asked yet... ******************************************** Ian R. Harvey, Ph.D. Associate Director Utah Nanofab Cleanroom Fabrication and Surface Analysis & nano-scale Imaging 801/585-6162 (voicemail) www.nanofab.utah.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PastedGraphic-2.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 22517 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From prnelson at csupomona.edu Thu Jul 10 11:36:26 2014 From: prnelson at csupomona.edu (Phyllis R. Nelson) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 08:36:26 -0700 Subject: [labnetwork] Lab management systems Message-ID: <954E2EE4772C764984652F546722C80410ADC8ADF8@EXCH03.win.csupomona.edu> Hi all, We are investigating implementing a lab management system such as OpenCoral or Badger. I'd be interested to hear from anyone who has implemented such a system recently. I am particularly interested in cost of implementation and ongoing costs. Thanks! -Phyllis Phyllis R. Nelson, PhD Professor and Chair, Electrical and Computer Engineering Co-Director, Center for Macromolecular Modeling and Materials Design California State Polytechnic University, Pomona email: prnelson at csupomona dot edu office: 9-407 phone: (909) 869-2649 From bill at eecs.berkeley.edu Thu Jul 10 14:12:22 2014 From: bill at eecs.berkeley.edu (Bill Flounders) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 11:12:22 -0700 Subject: [labnetwork] Lab management systems In-Reply-To: <954E2EE4772C764984652F546722C80410ADC8ADF8@EXCH03.win.csupomona.edu> References: <954E2EE4772C764984652F546722C80410ADC8ADF8@EXCH03.win.csupomona.edu> Message-ID: <53BED786.3050708@eecs.berkeley.edu> Here is another option that seems to have a growing user base http://www.fomnetworks.com/ I have an in house developed system and can not offer any feedback on cost of the 'off the shelf' systems. Bill Flounders UC Berkeley Phyllis R. Nelson wrote: > Hi all, > > We are investigating implementing a lab management system such as OpenCoral or Badger. I'd be interested to hear from anyone who has implemented such a system recently. I am particularly interested in cost of implementation and ongoing costs. > > Thanks! > > -Phyllis > > > Phyllis R. Nelson, PhD > Professor and Chair, Electrical and Computer Engineering > Co-Director, Center for Macromolecular Modeling and Materials Design > California State Polytechnic University, Pomona > > email: prnelson at csupomona dot edu > office: 9-407 > phone: (909) 869-2649 > _______________________________________________ > labnetwork mailing list > labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu > https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork From thomasl at mtl.mit.edu Thu Jul 10 14:32:56 2014 From: thomasl at mtl.mit.edu (Thomas Lohman) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 14:32:56 -0400 Subject: [labnetwork] Interlock Boxes In-Reply-To: <48483fa9f0674813ac26ad09718b7b16@BN1PR03MB169.namprd03.prod.outlook.com> References: <48483fa9f0674813ac26ad09718b7b16@BN1PR03MB169.namprd03.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <53BEDC58.90807@mtl.mit.edu> Hi Kolin, we are not currently using these but I believe the model line that you want to look at are the ADAM 6000 series. There are a few models in that line. The model number that I have from an e-mail from a few years ago is ADAM-6060. --tom > Hi! Here at WVU, we are going to interlock our tools to our reservation > software. Everyone at the UGIM was talking about the ?blue boxes? from > Advantech. Can anyone provide me with a model number? Also, has anyone > interfaced these boxes with Cores or iLabs software? > > Kolin Brown From shott at stanford.edu Thu Jul 10 14:55:21 2014 From: shott at stanford.edu (John Shott) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 11:55:21 -0700 Subject: [labnetwork] Interlock Boxes In-Reply-To: <48483fa9f0674813ac26ad09718b7b16@BN1PR03MB169.namprd03.prod.outlook.com> References: <48483fa9f0674813ac26ad09718b7b16@BN1PR03MB169.namprd03.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <53BEE199.509@stanford.edu> Kolin: I believe that most folks are using the Advantech ADAM-6060 or ADAM-6066 6-channel IP-addressable relay modules for interlocking. Others use modules that come from National Control Devices that have 1-, 2-, 4-, and 8-relay devices with current ratings from 5 to 30 amps. Most folks are currently using hard-wired ethernet connections, but some wireless options are also available. I believe that most of these IP-addressable relays are functionally equivalent but would certainly have minor differences in the default port that is used and the exact command sent to turn on, turn off, or check the status of a given relay channel. I don't have experience with either Cores or iLab software to know what, if any, interlocking hardware has been interfaced with their systems. Good luck, John On 7/10/2014 6:08 AM, Kolin Brown wrote: > > Hi! Here at WVU, we are going to interlock our tools to our > reservation software. Everyone at the UGIM was talking about the > "blue boxes" from Advantech. Can anyone provide me with a model > number? Also, has anyone interfaced these boxes with Cores or iLabs > software? > > Kolin Brown > > > > _______________________________________________ > labnetwork mailing list > labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu > https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From syli at northwestern.edu Thu Jul 10 16:08:34 2014 From: syli at northwestern.edu (Shu-You Li) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 20:08:34 +0000 Subject: [labnetwork] Interlock Boxes In-Reply-To: <48483fa9f0674813ac26ad09718b7b16@BN1PR03MB169.namprd03.prod.outlook.com> References: <48483fa9f0674813ac26ad09718b7b16@BN1PR03MB169.namprd03.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <5C6372BA469D124DA6C901D3C9230E391F9A8C0F@evcspmbx4.ads.northwestern.edu> Hi Kolin, Since you use our FOM facility online manager software, why don?t you use the ?black boxes? we provide? Most of our customers are using these boxes and they all work very smoothly. We provide three different types of FOM interlocks - 2-port box that may control up to two instruments with power plugs, list price $200 each. - 8-port box that may control up to 8 instruments with power plugs, list price $450 each. - 4-port box with dry contacts, list price $450 each. Shuyou _________________ Shuyou Li, Ph.D. FOM Networks, Inc. 604 Long Road Glenview, IL 60025 www.fomnetworks.com Tel: 224-225-9168 Fax: 224-218-2807 From: labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] On Behalf Of Kolin Brown Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 8:09 AM To: labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu Subject: [labnetwork] Interlock Boxes Hi! Here at WVU, we are going to interlock our tools to our reservation software. Everyone at the UGIM was talking about the ?blue boxes? from Advantech. Can anyone provide me with a model number? Also, has anyone interfaced these boxes with Cores or iLabs software? 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We are exploring using a supplier CRC to help replace the OEM part from STS. The owners name is Brent Elliot ... great person to work with good honest company. They may be reached by phone at 408-562-4000. Lastly, another primary cause of poor performance is the dc circuit itself. If the circuit is compromised such that it cannot establish the proper voltage on the ESC electrode ... your toast. Also, the DC bias circuit which biases the ESC DC supplies to the plasma potential may be failing ... this will lead to an incorrect chucking voltage relative to the plasma leading to poor charge development and poor helium sealing. There are many manufactures of ESC ... only a few reliable ones ... Good luck ... On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 10:11 AM, Ian Harvey wrote: > Dear STS owners among Labnetwork Colleagues, > > We now have our used STS ASPECT DRIE online, and have likely discovered > one of the key reasons this unit was originally placed on the used market: > the electrostatic chuck indicates localized plasma/heat damage, and we > therefore have erratic backside cooling and nonuniform etching. > > Any hints from battle-wizened colleagues on where to source parts for STS > systems, particularly items such as chucks that STS themselves likely > source from others? Best practices for working with STS? > > Thank you! > > ?Ian > > p.s. As suggested by John Shott and Duane Boning (many thanks!) I used and > bookmarked the google search: > > labnetwork STS parts supplier site:www-mtl.mit.edu > > ...along with a few other search terms. This gave me the confidence that > the question had likely not been asked yet... > > ******************************************** > Ian R. Harvey, Ph.D. > Associate Director > Utah Nanofab > Cleanroom Fabrication and Surface Analysis & nano-scale Imaging > 801/585-6162 (voicemail) > www.nanofab.utah.edu > > > > > _______________________________________________ > labnetwork mailing list > labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu > https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork > > -- Dennis S Grimard, Ph.D Managing Director, Lurie Nanofabrication Facility University of Michigan 1246D EECS Building 1301 Beal Avenue Ann Arbor, MI 48109-2122 (734) 368-7172 (Cell) (734) 647-1781 (Fax) http://www.lnf.umich.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From philippe.fluckiger at epfl.ch Fri Jul 11 06:14:54 2014 From: philippe.fluckiger at epfl.ch (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Fl=FCckiger_Philippe?=) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 10:14:54 +0000 Subject: [labnetwork] Interlock Boxes In-Reply-To: <53BEE199.509@stanford.edu> References: <48483fa9f0674813ac26ad09718b7b16@BN1PR03MB169.namprd03.prod.outlook.com> <53BEE199.509@stanford.edu> Message-ID: <4AA894F792D3D64085E82E89F3604131677F5442@REXMD.intranet.epfl.ch> Hi All, EPFL is using Ether IO24 R from http://www.elexol.com/IO_Modules/ Our software is homemade but we have a call for tenders running in order to "couple our homemade software" with a commercial package. We will keep you posted on this important move on which we are investing a lot of effort. With my very best regards, Philippe Dr Philippe Fl?ckiger Director of Operations http://cmi.epfl.ch/ Phone +41 21 693 6695 From: labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] On Behalf Of John Shott Sent: jeudi 10 juillet 2014 20:55 To: Kolin Brown; labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu Subject: Re: [labnetwork] Interlock Boxes Kolin: I believe that most folks are using the Advantech ADAM-6060 or ADAM-6066 6-channel IP-addressable relay modules for interlocking. Others use modules that come from National Control Devices that have 1-, 2-, 4-, and 8-relay devices with current ratings from 5 to 30 amps. Most folks are currently using hard-wired ethernet connections, but some wireless options are also available. I believe that most of these IP-addressable relays are functionally equivalent but would certainly have minor differences in the default port that is used and the exact command sent to turn on, turn off, or check the status of a given relay channel. I don't have experience with either Cores or iLab software to know what, if any, interlocking hardware has been interfaced with their systems. Good luck, John On 7/10/2014 6:08 AM, Kolin Brown wrote: Hi! Here at WVU, we are going to interlock our tools to our reservation software. Everyone at the UGIM was talking about the "blue boxes" from Advantech. Can anyone provide me with a model number? Also, has anyone interfaced these boxes with Cores or iLabs software? Kolin Brown _______________________________________________ labnetwork mailing list labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thomasl at mtl.mit.edu Fri Jul 11 10:10:26 2014 From: thomasl at mtl.mit.edu (Thomas Lohman) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 10:10:26 -0400 Subject: [labnetwork] Lab management systems In-Reply-To: <954E2EE4772C764984652F546722C80410ADC8ADF8@EXCH03.win.csupomona.edu> References: <954E2EE4772C764984652F546722C80410ADC8ADF8@EXCH03.win.csupomona.edu> Message-ID: <53BFF052.1080401@mtl.mit.edu> Hi Phyllis, From your note, it wasn't clear if you're thinking of implementing your own system or setting up/purchasing a 3rd party system. I would say that for any system, the answers to your questions will depend on what your work flow is there and what it is exactly you require e.g. how do you handle cost recovery, what are your policies for equipment usage/scheduling, do you require interlocking of your equipment, etc. As for using something else (borrow/buy route), I can say in the case of OpenCoral, it will require some up front technical investment from someone who has UNIX/Linux system administration/programming skills but should not require that same level once up and working. How much more depends on what you require exactly. If you go the commercial/cloud route then you'll be paying for their expertise in setting things up but once again, how much effort (on their end) and cost (on your end) will really depend on how much customizations may need to be done for you. --tom > Hi all, > > We are investigating implementing a lab management system such as > OpenCoral or Badger. I'd be interested to hear from anyone who has > implemented such a system recently. I am particularly interested in > cost of implementation and ongoing costs. > > Thanks! > > -Phyllis > > > Phyllis R. Nelson, PhD Professor and Chair, Electrical and Computer > Engineering Co-Director, Center for Macromolecular Modeling and > Materials Design California State Polytechnic University, Pomona > > email: prnelson at csupomona dot edu office: 9-407 phone: (909) > 869-2649 _______________________________________________ labnetwork > mailing list labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu > https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork > From michael.rooks at yale.edu Fri Jul 11 10:11:21 2014 From: michael.rooks at yale.edu (Michael Rooks) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 10:11:21 -0400 Subject: [labnetwork] Interlock Boxes In-Reply-To: <4AA894F792D3D64085E82E89F3604131677F5442@REXMD.intranet.epfl.ch> References: <48483fa9f0674813ac26ad09718b7b16@BN1PR03MB169.namprd03.prod.outlook.com> <53BEE199.509@stanford.edu> <4AA894F792D3D64085E82E89F3604131677F5442@REXMD.intranet.epfl.ch> Message-ID: <53BFF089.2050207@yale.edu> We use ethernet relay boards from National Control Devices , controlled by Badger (the new version of Coral). NCD also makes wifi connected relays. Having two relays on a board makes it easy to keep isolated grounds isolated. Each board requires its own static IPv4 address. The boards can be easily mounted in a 6"x6" electrical box, or in the custom-fitted plastic case from Badgerlms. I suggest you keep these boards behind a firewall, since they run a tiny operating system and web page, but with only minimal security. --------------------- Michael Rooks Yale Institute for Nanoscience & Quantum Engineering nano.yale.edu On 07/11/2014 06:14 AM, Fl?ckiger Philippe wrote: > > Hi All, > > EPFL is using Ether IO24 R from http://www.elexol.com/IO_Modules/ > > Our software is homemade but we have a call for tenders running in > order to "couple our homemade software" with a commercial package. > > We will keep you posted on this important move on which we are > investing a lot of effort. > > With my very best regards, > > Philippe > > /Dr Philippe Fl?ckiger/ > > /Director of Operations/ > > /http://cmi.epfl.ch// > > /Phone +41 21 693 6695/ > > *From:*labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu > [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] *On Behalf Of *John Shott > *Sent:* jeudi 10 juillet 2014 20:55 > *To:* Kolin Brown; labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu > *Subject:* Re: [labnetwork] Interlock Boxes > > Kolin: > > I believe that most folks are using the Advantech ADAM-6060 or > ADAM-6066 6-channel IP-addressable relay modules for interlocking. > Others use modules that come from National Control Devices that have > 1-, 2-, 4-, and 8-relay devices with current ratings from 5 to 30 > amps. Most folks are currently using hard-wired ethernet connections, > but some wireless options are also available. > > I believe that most of these IP-addressable relays are functionally > equivalent but would certainly have minor differences in the default > port that is used and the exact command sent to turn on, turn off, or > check the status of a given relay channel. > > I don't have experience with either Cores or iLab software to know > what, if any, interlocking hardware has been interfaced with their > systems. > > Good luck, > > John > > On 7/10/2014 6:08 AM, Kolin Brown wrote: > > Hi! Here at WVU, we are going to interlock our tools to our > reservation software. Everyone at the UGIM was talking about the > "blue boxes" from Advantech. Can anyone provide me with a model > number? Also, has anyone interfaced these boxes with Cores or > iLabs software? > > Kolin Brown > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > labnetwork mailing list > > labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu > > https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork > > > > _______________________________________________ > labnetwork mailing list > labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu > https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From julia.aebersold at louisville.edu Fri Jul 11 10:41:15 2014 From: julia.aebersold at louisville.edu (Aebersold,Julia W.) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 14:41:15 +0000 Subject: [labnetwork] Interlock Boxes In-Reply-To: <5C6372BA469D124DA6C901D3C9230E391F9A8C0F@evcspmbx4.ads.northwestern.edu> References: <48483fa9f0674813ac26ad09718b7b16@BN1PR03MB169.namprd03.prod.outlook.com> <5C6372BA469D124DA6C901D3C9230E391F9A8C0F@evcspmbx4.ads.northwestern.edu> Message-ID: I can verify that we have not had any problems with the boxes provided with FOM and by Shuyou. Cheers! Julia Aebersold, Ph.D. MNTC Cleanroom Manager Shumaker Research Building, Room 233 2210 South Brook Street University of Louisville Louisville, KY 40292 502-852-1572 http://louisville.edu/micronano/ From: labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] On Behalf Of Shu-You Li Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 4:09 PM To: 'Kolin Brown'; labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu Subject: Re: [labnetwork] Interlock Boxes Hi Kolin, Since you use our FOM facility online manager software, why don?t you use the ?black boxes? we provide? Most of our customers are using these boxes and they all work very smoothly. We provide three different types of FOM interlocks - 2-port box that may control up to two instruments with power plugs, list price $200 each. - 8-port box that may control up to 8 instruments with power plugs, list price $450 each. - 4-port box with dry contacts, list price $450 each. Shuyou _________________ Shuyou Li, Ph.D. FOM Networks, Inc. 604 Long Road Glenview, IL 60025 www.fomnetworks.com Tel: 224-225-9168 Fax: 224-218-2807 From: labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] On Behalf Of Kolin Brown Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 8:09 AM To: labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu Subject: [labnetwork] Interlock Boxes Hi! Here at WVU, we are going to interlock our tools to our reservation software. Everyone at the UGIM was talking about the ?blue boxes? from Advantech. Can anyone provide me with a model number? Also, has anyone interfaced these boxes with Cores or iLabs software? Kolin Brown -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sbhas at uchicago.edu Fri Jul 11 15:09:58 2014 From: sbhas at uchicago.edu (Shivakumar Bhaskaran) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 19:09:58 +0000 Subject: [labnetwork] Interlock Boxes In-Reply-To: <53BFF089.2050207@yale.edu> References: <48483fa9f0674813ac26ad09718b7b16@BN1PR03MB169.namprd03.prod.outlook.com> <53BEE199.509@stanford.edu> <4AA894F792D3D64085E82E89F3604131677F5442@REXMD.intranet.epfl.ch> <53BFF089.2050207@yale.edu> Message-ID: Hello All, I am trying to set a interlock system for our cleanroom. In the process I was able to get the phpscheduler up running. Before I design or buy the interlock I need your inputs regarding how to set up. Do the user log in to computer that is attached to the unit and validate the credentials and then use the equipment. Inorder to do that user data should be validated by the scheduler system, in that case does user have separate id created or it will be same associated with the campus ID. Do the user use separate swipe card in the interlock to access the system. Apart from the user access, currently the users access the cleanroom with swipe in card and when they leave they swipe out. But not all the users swipe in or swipe out. Our door system is designed in such a way that it will be opened for atleast for 10-20sec , but with this there is possibility of other users following the previous user without swiping the card. Does any one have system that detect the user based on proximity that automatically gets the user information based on RF ID card without swipe in. --Thanks --Shiva Shivakumar Bhaskaran, Ph.D. Searle CleanRoom Manager Uinversity of Chicago 5735 S.Ellis, Room 032 Chicago-60637 Ph:773-795-2297 From: labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] On Behalf Of Michael Rooks Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 9:11 AM To: labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu Subject: Re: [labnetwork] Interlock Boxes We use ethernet relay boards from National Control Devices, controlled by Badger (the new version of Coral). NCD also makes wifi connected relays. Having two relays on a board makes it easy to keep isolated grounds isolated. Each board requires its own static IPv4 address. The boards can be easily mounted in a 6"x6" electrical box, or in the custom-fitted plastic case from Badgerlms. I suggest you keep these boards behind a firewall, since they run a tiny operating system and web page, but with only minimal security. --------------------- Michael Rooks Yale Institute for Nanoscience & Quantum Engineering nano.yale.edu On 07/11/2014 06:14 AM, Fl?ckiger Philippe wrote: Hi All, EPFL is using Ether IO24 R from http://www.elexol.com/IO_Modules/ Our software is homemade but we have a call for tenders running in order to "couple our homemade software" with a commercial package. We will keep you posted on this important move on which we are investing a lot of effort. With my very best regards, Philippe Dr Philippe Fl?ckiger Director of Operations http://cmi.epfl.ch/ Phone +41 21 693 6695 From: labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] On Behalf Of John Shott Sent: jeudi 10 juillet 2014 20:55 To: Kolin Brown; labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu Subject: Re: [labnetwork] Interlock Boxes Kolin: I believe that most folks are using the Advantech ADAM-6060 or ADAM-6066 6-channel IP-addressable relay modules for interlocking. Others use modules that come from National Control Devices that have 1-, 2-, 4-, and 8-relay devices with current ratings from 5 to 30 amps. Most folks are currently using hard-wired ethernet connections, but some wireless options are also available. I believe that most of these IP-addressable relays are functionally equivalent but would certainly have minor differences in the default port that is used and the exact command sent to turn on, turn off, or check the status of a given relay channel. I don't have experience with either Cores or iLab software to know what, if any, interlocking hardware has been interfaced with their systems. Good luck, John On 7/10/2014 6:08 AM, Kolin Brown wrote: Hi! Here at WVU, we are going to interlock our tools to our reservation software. Everyone at the UGIM was talking about the "blue boxes" from Advantech. Can anyone provide me with a model number? Also, has anyone interfaced these boxes with Cores or iLabs software? Kolin Brown _______________________________________________ labnetwork mailing list labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork _______________________________________________ labnetwork mailing list labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shott at stanford.edu Fri Jul 11 17:42:33 2014 From: shott at stanford.edu (John Shott) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 14:42:33 -0700 Subject: [labnetwork] Interlock Boxes In-Reply-To: References: <48483fa9f0674813ac26ad09718b7b16@BN1PR03MB169.namprd03.prod.outlook.com> <53BEE199.509@stanford.edu> <4AA894F792D3D64085E82E89F3604131677F5442@REXMD.intranet.epfl.ch> <53BFF089.2050207@yale.edu> Message-ID: <53C05A49.2010403@stanford.edu> Shiva: Let me take a crack at answering some of your questions. First, I doubt that you need to design an interlock ... there a plenty of options to just by them. Most systems with which I am familiar (but not all ...) allow/require you to enable an interlock on a piece of equipment from the same system on which reservations are made. Most of those systems are logged into with an old fashioned user name and password. But there are lots of variations: Gary Spinner may correct me, but, as I recall, Georgia Tech has a card reader on each piece of equipment that reads the university ID card and turns on the equipment if the person is authorized to use that tool. Thee are probably other card-reader per tool installations as well. Whether you use lab-specific or campus-wide ID for authentication likely depends on your campus infrastructure. A number of campuses have and use central authentication using LDAP or Kerberos with the campus ID. Even with that, however, you still likely need to get information from your in-lab system to determine equipment qualifications, special privileges, etc. Of course, for that to work, the in-lab name/ID has to match the campus-wide name/ID. The problem of "tailgating" (3 or 4 people entering on a single card swipe) is a common problem for most access systems. I have no direct experience with the long-range RFID units that should, in principle, read a card as you walk though the door and should greatly reduce that problem. Good luck, John On 7/11/2014 12:09 PM, Shivakumar Bhaskaran wrote: > > Hello All, > > I am trying to set a interlock system for our cleanroom. In the > process I was able to get the phpscheduler up running. Before I design > or buy the interlock I need your inputs regarding how to set up. > > Do the user log in to computer that is attached to the unit and > validate the credentials and then use the equipment. Inorder to do > that user data should be validated by the scheduler system, in that > case does user have separate id created or it will be same associated > with the campus ID. > > Do the user use separate swipe card in the interlock to access the system. > > Apart from the user access, currently the users access the cleanroom > with swipe in card and when they leave they swipe out. But not all the > users swipe in or swipe out. Our door system is designed in such a way > that it will be opened for atleast for 10-20sec , but with this there > is possibility of other users following the previous user without > swiping the card. Does any one have system that detect the user based > on proximity that automatically gets the user information based on RF > ID card without swipe in. > > --Thanks > > --Shiva > > Shivakumar Bhaskaran, Ph.D. > > Searle CleanRoom Manager > > Uinversity of Chicago > > 5735 S.Ellis, Room 032 > > Chicago-60637 > > Ph:773-795-2297 > > *From:*labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu > [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] *On Behalf Of *Michael Rooks > *Sent:* Friday, July 11, 2014 9:11 AM > *To:* labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu > *Subject:* Re: [labnetwork] Interlock Boxes > > We use ethernet relay boards from National Control Devices > , > controlled by Badger (the new version of Coral). NCD also makes wifi > connected relays. Having two relays on a board makes it easy to keep > isolated grounds isolated. Each board requires its own static IPv4 > address. The boards can be easily mounted in a 6"x6" electrical box, > or in the custom-fitted plastic case from Badgerlms. > I suggest you keep these boards behind a > firewall, since they run a tiny operating system and web page, but > with only minimal security. > > > --------------------- > Michael Rooks > Yale Institute for Nanoscience & Quantum Engineering > nano.yale.edu > > > > On 07/11/2014 06:14 AM, Fl?ckiger Philippe wrote: > > Hi All, > > EPFL is using Ether IO24 R from http://www.elexol.com/IO_Modules/ > > Our software is homemade but we have a call for tenders running in > order to "couple our homemade software" with a commercial package. > > We will keep you posted on this important move on which we are > investing a lot of effort. > > With my very best regards, > > Philippe > > /Dr Philippe Fl?ckiger/ > > /Director of Operations/ > > /http://cmi.epfl.ch// > > /Phone +41 21 693 6695/ > > *From:*labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu > [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] > *On Behalf Of *John Shott > *Sent:* jeudi 10 juillet 2014 20:55 > *To:* Kolin Brown; labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu > > *Subject:* Re: [labnetwork] Interlock Boxes > > Kolin: > > I believe that most folks are using the Advantech ADAM-6060 or > ADAM-6066 6-channel IP-addressable relay modules for > interlocking. Others use modules that come from National Control > Devices that have 1-, 2-, 4-, and 8-relay devices with current > ratings from 5 to 30 amps. Most folks are currently using > hard-wired ethernet connections, but some wireless options are > also available. > > I believe that most of these IP-addressable relays are > functionally equivalent but would certainly have minor differences > in the default port that is used and the exact command sent to > turn on, turn off, or check the status of a given relay channel. > > I don't have experience with either Cores or iLab software to know > what, if any, interlocking hardware has been interfaced with their > systems. > > Good luck, > > John > > On 7/10/2014 6:08 AM, Kolin Brown wrote: > > Hi! Here at WVU, we are going to interlock our tools to our > reservation software. Everyone at the UGIM was talking about > the "blue boxes" from Advantech. Can anyone provide me with a > model number? 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URL: From hathaway at cns.fas.harvard.edu Sat Jul 12 09:56:32 2014 From: hathaway at cns.fas.harvard.edu (Hathaway, Malcolm) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 13:56:32 +0000 Subject: [labnetwork] Interlock Boxes In-Reply-To: <53BFF089.2050207@yale.edu> References: <48483fa9f0674813ac26ad09718b7b16@BN1PR03MB169.namprd03.prod.outlook.com> <53BEE199.509@stanford.edu> <4AA894F792D3D64085E82E89F3604131677F5442@REXMD.intranet.epfl.ch>, <53BFF089.2050207@yale.edu> Message-ID: Hey All, I seem to have hit the wrong reply button on Thursday, but here's the scoop at Harvard... (sorry that some if this will seem dated now...) ******** Hi Kolin, What we are using in our CLEAN system at Harvard is a "semi-custom" ICP box (Interlock Control Panel), which uses a 6-channel ethernet connected relay called an ADAM (p/n ADAM-6060-BE) from Advantech. These are built into the ICPs, which are put together by our lab consultant Jim Loach (cc'd), who also does most of the in-lab wiring. I'm sure he'll be delighted to make some of these for you, and perhaps even go to your facility to do installations. The ICPs provide 6 sets of dry contacts or 12V outputs which are then tied to either 12V relays which control equipment (most typically PC video monitor) power, or, in the case of dry contacts, they are tied in series with existing system interlock switches (panel interlocks, gas box door interlocks, water-flow interlocks). In this way, the tool in question is disabled, either due to a blank control monitor, no system power, or an on-board interlock. The trick is to find ways to disable a system that don't break the tool if they kick in during a process... We have found it helpful to mechanically secure the monitor and equipment power cord plugs to their respective equipment, to prevent the occasional cheater from removing the relay-driven power cord and installing a standard modular cord in its place. Mac Hathaway Harvard Center for Nanoscale Systems ________________________________ From: labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu [labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] on behalf of Michael Rooks [michael.rooks at yale.edu] Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 10:11 AM To: labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu Subject: Re: [labnetwork] Interlock Boxes We use ethernet relay boards from National Control Devices, controlled by Badger (the new version of Coral). NCD also makes wifi connected relays. Having two relays on a board makes it easy to keep isolated grounds isolated. Each board requires its own static IPv4 address. The boards can be easily mounted in a 6"x6" electrical box, or in the custom-fitted plastic case from Badgerlms. I suggest you keep these boards behind a firewall, since they run a tiny operating system and web page, but with only minimal security. --------------------- Michael Rooks Yale Institute for Nanoscience & Quantum Engineering nano.yale.edu On 07/11/2014 06:14 AM, Fl?ckiger Philippe wrote: Hi All, EPFL is using Ether IO24 R from http://www.elexol.com/IO_Modules/ Our software is homemade but we have a call for tenders running in order to ?couple our homemade software? with a commercial package. We will keep you posted on this important move on which we are investing a lot of effort. With my very best regards, Philippe Dr Philippe Fl?ckiger Director of Operations http://cmi.epfl.ch/ Phone +41 21 693 6695 From: labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] On Behalf Of John Shott Sent: jeudi 10 juillet 2014 20:55 To: Kolin Brown; labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu Subject: Re: [labnetwork] Interlock Boxes Kolin: I believe that most folks are using the Advantech ADAM-6060 or ADAM-6066 6-channel IP-addressable relay modules for interlocking. Others use modules that come from National Control Devices that have 1-, 2-, 4-, and 8-relay devices with current ratings from 5 to 30 amps. Most folks are currently using hard-wired ethernet connections, but some wireless options are also available. I believe that most of these IP-addressable relays are functionally equivalent but would certainly have minor differences in the default port that is used and the exact command sent to turn on, turn off, or check the status of a given relay channel. I don't have experience with either Cores or iLab software to know what, if any, interlocking hardware has been interfaced with their systems. Good luck, John On 7/10/2014 6:08 AM, Kolin Brown wrote: Hi! Here at WVU, we are going to interlock our tools to our reservation software. Everyone at the UGIM was talking about the ?blue boxes? from Advantech. Can anyone provide me with a model number? Also, has anyone interfaced these boxes with Cores or iLabs software? Kolin Brown _______________________________________________ labnetwork mailing list labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork _______________________________________________ labnetwork mailing list labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From syli at northwestern.edu Sat Jul 12 11:34:27 2014 From: syli at northwestern.edu (Shu-You Li) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 15:34:27 +0000 Subject: [labnetwork] Interlock Boxes In-Reply-To: References: <48483fa9f0674813ac26ad09718b7b16@BN1PR03MB169.namprd03.prod.outlook.com> <53BEE199.509@stanford.edu> <4AA894F792D3D64085E82E89F3604131677F5442@REXMD.intranet.epfl.ch> <53BFF089.2050207@yale.edu> Message-ID: <5C6372BA469D124DA6C901D3C9230E391F9B1361@evcspmbx4.ads.northwestern.edu> Hi Shiva, There are a lot of things you need do in order for the PhpScheduler to work with the door controls. Ideally, you need (1) write program to interface with the RFID card readers. Each reader must have its own ID if you have multiple doors and each door has in/out readers. (2) integrate the PhpScheduler with your university single sign-on. Each RFID card must be tied with the university SSO ID, so that you can chain up card swipe ? SSO ID ? user validation in scheduler program. Each university SSO may have different mechanism, such as AD, Shibboleth, CAS, or SAML. (3) Interface with interlock that in turn controls the door lock. As John mentioned you need not design your own interlock because we have a bunch of commercially available products you can use. At Northwestern University, we use HID card readers, and I have done all these items with Java. Not sure if PHP has similar capability in lower level hardware controls. For tailgating, we implemented a monitoring system to display all the ?current? users who are working in the lab. A user?s name is shown up as soon as the ID card is swiped. This monitoring works well ? managers can easily spot a person who is working in the lab but the name is not shown on the big display. Hope this helps, Shuyou _________________ Shuyou Li, Ph.D. FOM Networks, Inc. 604 Long Road Glenview, IL 60025 www.fomnetworks.com Tel: 224-225-9168 Fax: 224-218-2807 From: labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] On Behalf Of Shivakumar Bhaskaran Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 2:10 PM To: Michael Rooks; labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu Subject: Re: [labnetwork] Interlock Boxes Hello All, I am trying to set a interlock system for our cleanroom. In the process I was able to get the phpscheduler up running. Before I design or buy the interlock I need your inputs regarding how to set up. Do the user log in to computer that is attached to the unit and validate the credentials and then use the equipment. Inorder to do that user data should be validated by the scheduler system, in that case does user have separate id created or it will be same associated with the campus ID. Do the user use separate swipe card in the interlock to access the system. Apart from the user access, currently the users access the cleanroom with swipe in card and when they leave they swipe out. But not all the users swipe in or swipe out. Our door system is designed in such a way that it will be opened for atleast for 10-20sec , but with this there is possibility of other users following the previous user without swiping the card. Does any one have system that detect the user based on proximity that automatically gets the user information based on RF ID card without swipe in. --Thanks --Shiva Shivakumar Bhaskaran, Ph.D. Searle CleanRoom Manager Uinversity of Chicago 5735 S.Ellis, Room 032 Chicago-60637 Ph:773-795-2297 From: labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] On Behalf Of Michael Rooks Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 9:11 AM To: labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu Subject: Re: [labnetwork] Interlock Boxes We use ethernet relay boards from National Control Devices, controlled by Badger (the new version of Coral). NCD also makes wifi connected relays. Having two relays on a board makes it easy to keep isolated grounds isolated. Each board requires its own static IPv4 address. The boards can be easily mounted in a 6"x6" electrical box, or in the custom-fitted plastic case from Badgerlms. I suggest you keep these boards behind a firewall, since they run a tiny operating system and web page, but with only minimal security. --------------------- Michael Rooks Yale Institute for Nanoscience & Quantum Engineering nano.yale.edu On 07/11/2014 06:14 AM, Fl?ckiger Philippe wrote: Hi All, EPFL is using Ether IO24 R from http://www.elexol.com/IO_Modules/ Our software is homemade but we have a call for tenders running in order to ?couple our homemade software? with a commercial package. We will keep you posted on this important move on which we are investing a lot of effort. With my very best regards, Philippe Dr Philippe Fl?ckiger Director of Operations http://cmi.epfl.ch/ Phone +41 21 693 6695 From: labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] On Behalf Of John Shott Sent: jeudi 10 juillet 2014 20:55 To: Kolin Brown; labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu Subject: Re: [labnetwork] Interlock Boxes Kolin: I believe that most folks are using the Advantech ADAM-6060 or ADAM-6066 6-channel IP-addressable relay modules for interlocking. Others use modules that come from National Control Devices that have 1-, 2-, 4-, and 8-relay devices with current ratings from 5 to 30 amps. Most folks are currently using hard-wired ethernet connections, but some wireless options are also available. I believe that most of these IP-addressable relays are functionally equivalent but would certainly have minor differences in the default port that is used and the exact command sent to turn on, turn off, or check the status of a given relay channel. 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URL: From tbritton at criticalsystemsinc.com Fri Jul 18 10:36:38 2014 From: tbritton at criticalsystemsinc.com (Tom Britton) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 14:36:38 +0000 Subject: [labnetwork] regulator question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9820889A26AAC34EBEB01D62DFCEEB2E01183D41@P3PWEX2MB006.ex2.secureserver.net> Hi Rick, C4F8 isn't very sensitive to temperature swings in range that you've listed, so you won't get much insulating the panel. What is the regulator doing? If you're seeing a rise in the downstream pressure, you could have contamination on the seat. If the flow rate is fluctuating, the regulator may be undersized. Let's focus on the regulator and your system requirements. 1. What is the part number on the regulator? Tescom scribes this into the body, either next to the inlet or outlet fitting, or on the bottom. 2. What is your bottle pressure? 3. What is the required delivery pressure? 4. What is the desired flow rate? 5. Do you have an excess flow switch on the panel? If so, what is the part number? The age of the panel isn't a concern. As long as you're keeping the gas clean and employing proper cylinder change procedures, that panel will last you for the life of the system. We might play 20 questions here to get this figured out, but this will be a good start. Best to you sir! Tom Tom Britton Director of Sales Critical Systems, Inc. Direct: 208-890-1417 Office: 877-572-5515 www.CriticalSystemsInc.com [logo for email signature png] From: labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] On Behalf Of Morrison, Richard H., Jr. Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 6:42 AM To: labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu Subject: [labnetwork] regulator question Hi, My gas room has no temperature control and I am having delivery problems with C4F8 tank. I have a Tescom-100 regulator on the bottle (part of a gas panel 6+ years old). My question is should I wrap the tank with a blanket to keep it constant temperature? I have this issue when there are large temperature swings outside my gas room is 70F +-8F Is the regulator I am using the proper one? Any suggestions are welcome. Rick Draper Laboratory Principal Member of the Technical Staff Group Leader Microfabrication Operations 555 Technology Square Cambridge Ma, 02139-3563 www.draper.com rmorrison at draper.com W 617-258-3420 C 508-930-3461 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 9501 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From myoung6 at nd.edu Fri Jul 18 12:44:01 2014 From: myoung6 at nd.edu (Mike Young) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 12:44:01 -0400 Subject: [labnetwork] regulator question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Rick. We were also seeing fluctuations in our C4F8 flow at the tool. We mitigated this by adding a regulator at the cylinder, set to ~8 psig (we were previously running the line at cylinder pressure, with no regulator at all). We encountered no need for line or cylinder heating/cooling/insulation. Our gas cabinet room seems to maintain pretty good temperature control. --Mike On Jul 17, 2014, at 8:42 AM, Morrison, Richard H., Jr. wrote: > Hi, > > My gas room has no temperature control and I am having delivery problems with C4F8 tank. I have a Tescom-100 regulator on the bottle (part of a gas panel 6+ years old). My question is should I wrap the tank with a blanket to keep it constant temperature? I have this issue when there are large temperature swings outside my gas room is 70F +-8F > > Is the regulator I am using the proper one? Any suggestions are welcome. > > Rick > > > Draper Laboratory > Principal Member of the Technical Staff > Group Leader Microfabrication Operations > 555 Technology Square > Cambridge Ma, 02139-3563 > > www.draper.com > rmorrison at draper.com > W 617-258-3420 > C 508-930-3461 -- Michael P. Young (574) 631-3268 (office) Nanofabrication Specialist (574) 631-4393 (fax) Department of Electrical Engineering (765) 412-6728 (cell) University of Notre Dame mike.young at nd.edu B-38 Stinson-Remick Hall Notre Dame, IN 46556-5637 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fouad.karouta at anu.edu.au Fri Jul 18 19:30:41 2014 From: fouad.karouta at anu.edu.au (Fouad Karouta) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 23:30:41 +0000 Subject: [labnetwork] regulator question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1405726242339.41220@anu.edu.au> Hi Rick, I agree with Tom that you don't need any heating jacket of the cylinder. But be aware the C4F8 is a liquid in the cylinder and we had a similar issue here at ANU with a C4F8 cylinder hooked directly to SS tubing without regulator with the argument that the vapour pressure is 2.3 bars at RT. However in this situation heating the line to 30 deg C didn't help stabilising the flow and only when we retrofitted a pressure regulator with only a secondary gauge and the heating line we did get a stale flow. I believe the regulator is maintaining the vapour pressure of C4F8 in the cylinder that works as a buffer for a constant gas delivery. Hope this helps, Fouad ________________________________ From: labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu on behalf of Morrison, Richard H., Jr. Sent: 17 July 2014 22:42 To: labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu Subject: [labnetwork] regulator question Hi, My gas room has no temperature control and I am having delivery problems with C4F8 tank. I have a Tescom-100 regulator on the bottle (part of a gas panel 6+ years old). My question is should I wrap the tank with a blanket to keep it constant temperature? I have this issue when there are large temperature swings outside my gas room is 70F +-8F Is the regulator I am using the proper one? Any suggestions are welcome. Rick Draper Laboratory Principal Member of the Technical Staff Group Leader Microfabrication Operations 555 Technology Square Cambridge Ma, 02139-3563 www.draper.com rmorrison at draper.com W 617-258-3420 C 508-930-3461 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Young (574) 631-3268 (office) Nanofabrication Specialist (574) 631-4393 (fax) Department of Electrical Engineering (765) 412-6728 (cell) University of Notre Dame mike.young at nd.edu B-38 Stinson-Remick Hall Notre Dame, IN 46556-5637 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dgrimard at umich.edu Fri Jul 25 14:28:01 2014 From: dgrimard at umich.edu (Dennis Grimard) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2014 14:28:01 -0400 Subject: [labnetwork] Benchmarking Survey In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thomas: I will be happy to participate ... However, I would caution you that the questions must be vetted properly. For example if you ask for the staff size ... there are many other questions that must be asked to assure that you are not comparing apples to oranges. For example, if the Lab is "mostly" a clean room with the "typical" tool set for MEMS, photonics, NEMS, etc then what if one of the respondents has a combination of these tools and metrology tools in addition?. Comparing those two labs will give you completely wrong answers. What about the size of the lab from hours used, to tools, to type of tools, to footprint, to number of faculty, to the size of the graduate program? Also, the fidelity of the data must be protected. What if you have someone causally "guessing" while another is fanatical about their data? I think that if the data are not "interrogated" by such things as follow-up phone calls or person to person visits ... you will have a bit of a problem selling that the foundation of the data are sound. Anyway, good luck ... On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 10:04 AM, Ferraguto, Thomas < Thomas_Ferraguto at uml.edu> wrote: > I am putting together a ?Survey Monkey? anonymous Benchmarking Survey > for our labs > > > > What 10 questions would you like addressed > > > > > > Examples? > > > > Lab Size (square footage) > > Staff Size > > Average Staff Salary > > Director Salary > > Percentage of industrial users by account > > Percentage of industrial user revenue > > Total Annual Revenue > > University Subsidy > > $ spent on Service contracts > > > > > > > > > > Thomas S. Ferraguto > > Saab ETIC Nanofabrication Laboratory Director > > University of Massachusetts Lowell > > 1 University Avenue > > Lowell MA 01854-5120 > > 978-934-1809 land > > 617-755-0910 mobile > > 978-934-1014 fax > > > > _______________________________________________ > labnetwork mailing list > labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu > https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork > > -- Dennis S Grimard, Ph.D Managing Director, Lurie Nanofabrication Facility University of Michigan 1246D EECS Building 1301 Beal Avenue Ann Arbor, MI 48109-2122 (734) 368-7172 (Cell) (734) 647-1781 (Fax) http://www.lnf.umich.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I certainly believe that one of the benefits of such a survey would be to get a better understanding of the range and magnitude of subsidy that various labs receive. In particular, my belief is that smaller labs require a more significant subsidy, percentage-wise, in order to make ends meet ... but that's only a hunch and not based on real data. Capturing good information about subsidies is made harder, I believe, by the fact that many subsidies are not in the form of a "direct payment" in the way that user fees are, but often take the form of things that ultimately show up on someone else's expenditure statement and, as a result, are more easily overlooked. All that aside, I'd be happy to help in any way that I can. Have a good weekend, John On 7/25/2014 11:28 AM, Dennis Grimard wrote: > Thomas: > > I will be happy to participate ... > > However, I would caution you that the questions must be vetted > properly. For example if you ask for the staff size ... there are > many other questions that must be asked to assure that you are not > comparing apples to oranges. For example, if the Lab is "mostly" a > clean room with the "typical" tool set for MEMS, photonics, NEMS, etc > then what if one of the respondents has a combination of these tools > and metrology tools in addition?. Comparing those two labs will give > you completely wrong answers. What about the size of the lab from > hours used, to tools, to type of tools, to footprint, to number of > faculty, to the size of the graduate program? > > Also, the fidelity of the data must be protected. What if you have > someone causally "guessing" while another is fanatical about their data? > > I think that if the data are not "interrogated" by such things as > follow-up phone calls or person to person visits ... you will have a > bit of a problem selling that the foundation of the data are sound. > > Anyway, good luck ... > > > On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 10:04 AM, Ferraguto, Thomas > > wrote: > > I am putting together a "Survey Monkey" anonymous Benchmarking > Survey for our labs > > What 10 questions would you like addressed > > Examples... > > Lab Size (square footage) > > Staff Size > > Average Staff Salary > > Director Salary > > Percentage of industrial users by account > > Percentage of industrial user revenue > > Total Annual Revenue > > University Subsidy > > $ spent on Service contracts > > Thomas S. Ferraguto > > Saab ETIC Nanofabrication Laboratory Director > > University of Massachusetts Lowell > > 1 University Avenue > > Lowell MA 01854-5120 > > 978-934-1809 land > > 617-755-0910 mobile > > 978-934-1014 fax > > > _______________________________________________ > labnetwork mailing list > labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu > https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork > > > > > -- > Dennis S Grimard, Ph.D > Managing Director, Lurie Nanofabrication Facility > > University of Michigan > 1246D EECS Building > 1301 Beal Avenue > Ann Arbor, MI 48109-2122 > (734) 368-7172 (Cell) > (734) 647-1781 (Fax) > http://www.lnf.umich.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > labnetwork mailing list > labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu > https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Iulian iulian Codreanu, Ph.D. Director of Operations, UD NanoFab University of Delaware 163 ISE Lab 221 Academy Street Newark, DE 19716 302-831-2784 On 7/25/2014 10:04 AM, Ferraguto, Thomas wrote: > > I am putting together a "Survey Monkey" anonymous Benchmarking Survey > for our labs > > What 10 questions would you like addressed > > Examples... > > Lab Size (square footage) > > Staff Size > > Average Staff Salary > > Director Salary > > Percentage of industrial users by account > > Percentage of industrial user revenue > > Total Annual Revenue > > University Subsidy > > $ spent on Service contracts > > Thomas S. Ferraguto > > Saab ETIC Nanofabrication Laboratory Director > > University of Massachusetts Lowell > > 1 University Avenue > > Lowell MA 01854-5120 > > 978-934-1809 land > > 617-755-0910 mobile > > 978-934-1014 fax > > > > _______________________________________________ > labnetwork mailing list > labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu > https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/png Size: 57965 bytes Desc: not available URL: From kevin.walsh at louisville.edu Mon Jul 28 13:32:39 2014 From: kevin.walsh at louisville.edu (Walsh,Kevin M.) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 17:32:39 +0000 Subject: [labnetwork] Benchmarking Survey In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0D1ABD6DF2541B42A05BD6E6D36954110128B57503@EXMBX03.ad.louisville.edu> This is a great idea!!! We should do this annually!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I would clarify lab space Overall usable cleanroom space usable class 10 cleanroom space usable class 100 cleanroom space usable class 1000 cleanroom space usable class 10,000 cleanroom space Non- cleanroom space and use Is the director a staff or faculty position Director compensation (may be course release if a faculty member) Manager salary Estimated cost of tools in your cleanroom Number of internal users Breakdown of internal users by dept - EE/ECE, ME, BE, ChE, Chem, Phys, Medicine, other Internal revenue Total grant amount which the internal revenue comes from (lets get a multiplication factor for what we do - I estimate it to be 20 at UL) Number of external users external revenue Total revenue Total expenses Universidy subsidy by amt and % Have your number of users increased or decreased in the last 5 years - lets get some data on growth so we can pitch it to administrators!!! Dr. Kevin M. Walsh Ky nanoNET Director Samuel T. Fife Professor of Electrical and Computer Engineering Founding Director of the UofL Micro/Nanotechnology Center 2210 South Brook St Shumaker Research Building, Room 234 Louisville, KY 40292 Office # (502) 852-0826 Fax # (502) 852-8128 http://kynanonet.org/ [Description: Capture for email signature] From: labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] On Behalf Of Ferraguto, Thomas Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 10:05 AM To: labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu Subject: [labnetwork] Benchmarking Survey I am putting together a "Survey Monkey" anonymous Benchmarking Survey for our labs What 10 questions would you like addressed Examples... Lab Size (square footage) Staff Size Average Staff Salary Director Salary Percentage of industrial users by account Percentage of industrial user revenue Total Annual Revenue University Subsidy $ spent on Service contracts Thomas S. 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I'd like to see something on the outputs from the facilities, for example, publications. best wishes, Rosie On 26 July 2014 00:04, Ferraguto, Thomas wrote: > I am putting together a ?Survey Monkey? anonymous Benchmarking Survey > for our labs > > > > What 10 questions would you like addressed > > > > > > Examples? > > > > Lab Size (square footage) > > Staff Size > > Average Staff Salary > > Director Salary > > Percentage of industrial users by account > > Percentage of industrial user revenue > > Total Annual Revenue > > University Subsidy > > $ spent on Service contracts > > > > > > > > > > Thomas S. Ferraguto > > Saab ETIC Nanofabrication Laboratory Director > > University of Massachusetts Lowell > > 1 University Avenue > > Lowell MA 01854-5120 > > 978-934-1809 land > > 617-755-0910 mobile > > 978-934-1014 fax > > > > _______________________________________________ > labnetwork mailing list > labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu > https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork > > -- Rosie Hicks CEO - Australian National Fabrication Facility Ltd www.anff.org.au 151 Wellington Road Clayton VIC 3168 03 9902 9618 0438 454 077 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This is the link to our home nfrastructure Karlsruhe Nano Micro Facility (KNMF) http://www.knmf.kit.edu/ , and the European Network I coordinated ? at the moment we are preparing a proposal for a follow on, www.euminafab.eu . A global approach to the benchmarking would be really good, I would be very interested to discuss further with you and Thomas, Best regards, Susan Karlsruhe Institute of Technology (KIT) Helmholtz Programme Science and Technology of Nanosystems (STN) Karlsruhe Nano Micro Facility (KNMF) Dr. Susan Anson Hermann-von-Helmholtz-Platz 1 76344 Eggenstein-Leopoldshafen, Germany Phone: +49 (0) 721 608 2 8103 Mobile +49 (0) 175 5735 149 Fax: +49 (0) 721 608 2 5579 Email: susan.anson at kit.edu http://www.stn.kit.edu/ http://www.knmf.kit.edu/ www.euminafab.eu (FP7-226460) EUMINAfab - your gateway to multimaterial micro nano fabrication KIT ? University of the State of Baden-W?rttemberg and National Large-scale Research Center of the Helmholtz Association Von: rosie.hicks at gmail.com [mailto:rosie.hicks at gmail.com] Im Auftrag von rosie hicks Gesendet: Dienstag, 29. Juli 2014 00:18 An: Ferraguto, Thomas Cc: labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu; Anson, Susan (STN) Betreff: Re: [labnetwork] Benchmarking Survey Dear Thomas, Great idea. We need to ensure we're comparing apples with apples, but I also think that we should start with the top ~10 questions. I'd like to see something on the outputs from the facilities, for example, publications. best wishes, Rosie On 26 July 2014 00:04, Ferraguto, Thomas > wrote: I am putting together a ?Survey Monkey? anonymous Benchmarking Survey for our labs What 10 questions would you like addressed Examples? Lab Size (square footage) Staff Size Average Staff Salary Director Salary Percentage of industrial users by account Percentage of industrial user revenue Total Annual Revenue University Subsidy $ spent on Service contracts Thomas S. Ferraguto Saab ETIC Nanofabrication Laboratory Director University of Massachusetts Lowell 1 University Avenue Lowell MA 01854-5120 978-934-1809 land 617-755-0910 mobile 978-934-1014 fax [cid:image001.png at 01CFAB09.96B407F0] _______________________________________________ labnetwork mailing list labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork -- Rosie Hicks CEO - Australian National Fabrication Facility Ltd www.anff.org.au 151 Wellington Road Clayton VIC 3168 03 9902 9618 0438 454 077 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I would clarify lab space Overall usable cleanroom space usable class 10 cleanroom space usable class 100 cleanroom space usable class 1000 cleanroom space usable class 10,000 cleanroom space Non- cleanroom space and use Is the director a staff or faculty position Director compensation (may be course release if a faculty member) Manager salary Estimated cost of tools in your cleanroom Number of internal users Breakdown of internal users by dept - EE/ECE, ME, BE, ChE, Chem, Phys, Medicine, other Internal revenue Total grant amount which the internal revenue comes from (lets get a multiplication factor for what we do - I estimate it to be 20 at UL) Number of external users external revenue Total revenue Total expenses Universidy subsidy by amt and % Have your number of users increased or decreased in the last 5 years - lets get some data on growth so we can pitch it to administrators!!! Dr. Kevin M. Walsh Ky nanoNET Director Samuel T. Fife Professor of Electrical and Computer Engineering Founding Director of the UofL Micro/Nanotechnology Center 2210 South Brook St Shumaker Research Building, Room 234 Louisville, KY 40292 Office # (502) 852-0826 Fax # (502) 852-8128 http://kynanonet.org/ [Description: Capture for email signature] From: labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] On Behalf Of Ferraguto, Thomas Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 10:05 AM To: labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu Subject: [labnetwork] Benchmarking Survey I am putting together a "Survey Monkey" anonymous Benchmarking Survey for our labs What 10 questions would you like addressed Examples... Lab Size (square footage) Staff Size Average Staff Salary Director Salary Percentage of industrial users by account Percentage of industrial user revenue Total Annual Revenue University Subsidy $ spent on Service contracts Thomas S. Ferraguto Saab ETIC Nanofabrication Laboratory Director University of Massachusetts Lowell 1 University Avenue Lowell MA 01854-5120 978-934-1809 land 617-755-0910 mobile 978-934-1014 fax [cid:image002.png at 01CFAB06.85E3DC50] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 14485 bytes Desc: image001.jpg URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.png Type: image/png Size: 57965 bytes Desc: image002.png URL: From Vincent.Luciani at nist.gov Tue Jul 29 15:23:05 2014 From: Vincent.Luciani at nist.gov (Luciani, Vincent) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 19:23:05 +0000 Subject: [labnetwork] Looking to borrow ... Message-ID: Hello All, This is a long shot but I thought I would give it a try. We have a Suss SB6e wafer bonder. The high voltage power supply failed. The soonest a new or replaced one can get to us is 3+ weeks. Timing is very bad for us. Anyone have a spare we can borrow? The power supply: Fug MCL 140-2000 is the original model and the new ID for this mode is MCP 140-2000 MOD according to the US retailer. Technical specs: 0-60 mA, 0-2000 V, with an isolated analog programming interface and floating outputs. It's for Suss wafer bonder model SB6e. Thanks, Vince -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: power_supply.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 93623 bytes Desc: power_supply.jpeg URL: From xiaojin.wang at louisville.edu Thu Jul 31 15:20:10 2014 From: xiaojin.wang at louisville.edu (Wang,Xiaojin) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 19:20:10 +0000 Subject: [labnetwork] question about spin rinse dryer Message-ID: Dear colleagues: We have a spin rinse dryer from semitool that has been down lately. After I discussed with technical support several times, the problem boil down to the motor controller whose part number is 60710-27. The picture is attached. Does anyone know where to repair this part besides OEM? Or does anyone have an old working one that we can purchase? Thank you. Xiaojin Wang Senior micro/nano process engineer Micro/nano technology center University of Louisville -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 20140731_144749.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2353442 bytes Desc: 20140731_144749.jpg URL: From julia.aebersold at louisville.edu Thu Jul 31 17:23:44 2014 From: julia.aebersold at louisville.edu (Aebersold,Julia W.) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 21:23:44 +0000 Subject: [labnetwork] Benchmarking Survey In-Reply-To: <53D2C704.1020702@stanford.edu> References: <53D2C704.1020702@stanford.edu> Message-ID: Or as salary / maintenance support. Cheers! Julia Aebersold, Ph.D. MNTC Cleanroom Manager Shumaker Research Building, Room 233 2210 South Brook Street University of Louisville Louisville, KY 40292 502-852-1572 http://louisville.edu/micronano/ From: labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] On Behalf Of John Shott Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 5:07 PM To: Dennis Grimard; Ferraguto, Thomas Cc: labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu Subject: Re: [labnetwork] Benchmarking Survey Thomas: I certainly agree with Dennis' cautions about trying to get a good apples-apples comparison and I recall how hard he and his team worked to do his UGIM benchmarking study of a few years ago. However, I think that one of the most important questions on your list is the one titled "subsidy". I believe that virtually all of us get some form of subsidy from our institutions. As the same time, I believe that a number of us are frequently under pressure to reduce that subsidy based on what I believe to be a common misconception that a number of other labs breakeven with little-to-no subsidy. I certainly believe that one of the benefits of such a survey would be to get a better understanding of the range and magnitude of subsidy that various labs receive. In particular, my belief is that smaller labs require a more significant subsidy, percentage-wise, in order to make ends meet ... but that's only a hunch and not based on real data. Capturing good information about subsidies is made harder, I believe, by the fact that many subsidies are not in the form of a "direct payment" in the way that user fees are, but often take the form of things that ultimately show up on someone else's expenditure statement and, as a result, are more easily overlooked. All that aside, I'd be happy to help in any way that I can. Have a good weekend, John On 7/25/2014 11:28 AM, Dennis Grimard wrote: Thomas: I will be happy to participate ... However, I would caution you that the questions must be vetted properly. For example if you ask for the staff size ... there are many other questions that must be asked to assure that you are not comparing apples to oranges. For example, if the Lab is "mostly" a clean room with the "typical" tool set for MEMS, photonics, NEMS, etc then what if one of the respondents has a combination of these tools and metrology tools in addition?. Comparing those two labs will give you completely wrong answers. What about the size of the lab from hours used, to tools, to type of tools, to footprint, to number of faculty, to the size of the graduate program? Also, the fidelity of the data must be protected. What if you have someone causally "guessing" while another is fanatical about their data? I think that if the data are not "interrogated" by such things as follow-up phone calls or person to person visits ... you will have a bit of a problem selling that the foundation of the data are sound. Anyway, good luck ... On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 10:04 AM, Ferraguto, Thomas > wrote: I am putting together a "Survey Monkey" anonymous Benchmarking Survey for our labs What 10 questions would you like addressed Examples... Lab Size (square footage) Staff Size Average Staff Salary Director Salary Percentage of industrial users by account Percentage of industrial user revenue Total Annual Revenue University Subsidy $ spent on Service contracts Thomas S. Ferraguto Saab ETIC Nanofabrication Laboratory Director University of Massachusetts Lowell 1 University Avenue Lowell MA 01854-5120 978-934-1809 land 617-755-0910 mobile 978-934-1014 fax [cid:image001.png at 01CFACE4.2D0FE0D0] _______________________________________________ labnetwork mailing list labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork -- Dennis S Grimard, Ph.D Managing Director, Lurie Nanofabrication Facility University of Michigan 1246D EECS Building 1301 Beal Avenue Ann Arbor, MI 48109-2122 (734) 368-7172 (Cell) (734) 647-1781 (Fax) http://www.lnf.umich.edu _______________________________________________ labnetwork mailing list labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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After I discussed with technical support several times, the problem boil down to the motor controller whose part number is 60710-27. The picture is attached. Does anyone know where to repair this part besides OEM? Or does anyone have an old working one that we can purchase? Thank you. Xiaojin Wang Senior micro/nano process engineer Micro/nano technology center University of Louisville -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: