From schweig at umich.edu Fri Apr 1 05:51:32 2016 From: schweig at umich.edu (Dennis Schweiger) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 05:51:32 -0400 Subject: [labnetwork] Fire Suppression for Gas Cabinets (HBr/BCl3/Cl2) Message-ID: Michael, good morning. Here at the Uof Michigan, we made a conscious decision to NOT sprinkle these cabinets. We didn't want to create hundreds of gallons of contaminated "acid water" in the event there was a fire, and a gas leak. The envelope they're in (bunker or service aisle location) is sprinkled, so there is "cylinder cooling" available in the event there was a fire within the local storage envelope. Dennis Schweiger Facilities Manager University of Michigan/ LNF 734.647.2055 Ofc On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 6:45 PM, Michael Hume wrote: > Hello All, > > We are installing 2 new cabinets in our cleanroom for toxic gasses. One > will house Hbr & BCl3, the other Cl2 & N2 (purge). We have very limited > experience dealing with these gasses and I am wondering if anyone can offer > and advice with regards to best methods/practice for fire suppression in > each of the cabinets. > > Thanks in advance, > > -- > > Michael Hume > > IT & System Specialist > > University of Alberta - nanoFAB > > W1-060 ECERF Building > > 9107 - 116 Street > > Edmonton, Alberta > > Canada T6G 2V4 > www.nanofab.ualberta.ca Ph: 587-879-1519 > > _______________________________________________ > labnetwork mailing list > labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu > https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We have very limited experience dealing with these gasses and I am wondering if anyone can offer and advice with regards to best methods/practice for fire suppression in each of the cabinets. > > Thanks in advance, > > -- > Michael Hume > IT & System Specialist > University of Alberta - nanoFAB > W1-060 ECERF Building > 9107 - 116 Street > Edmonton, Alberta > Canada T6G 2V4 > www.nanofab.ualberta.ca Ph: 587-879-1519 > _______________________________________________ > labnetwork mailing list > labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu > https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Jack.Paul at hdrinc.com Fri Apr 1 11:59:26 2016 From: Jack.Paul at hdrinc.com (Paul, Jack) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 15:59:26 +0000 Subject: [labnetwork] Fire Suppression for Gas Cabinets (HBr/BCl3/Cl2) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Michael, HBr, BCl3, and Cl2 are not classified by the International Building Code or the International Fire Code as flammable or pyrophoric gases, so those two codes would not require that the gas cabinets be fire sprinkled. The room in which they are stored should be fire sprinkled, however. This provides structure protection and a measure of cylinder cooling if a fire occurs in that room or area. Unless you have a more stringent requirement from your local fire marshal or environmental safety, the typical best practice is not to put a fire sprinkler in the cabinet proper. This avoids potential from either a broken head in the cabinet, and reduces or eliminates the possibility of a full fire flow becoming highly acidic from a water/gas mixture. Best, Jack Jack Paul, RA, LEED AP BD+C D 602.474.3940 M 602.369.2086 hdrinc.com/follow-us From: labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] On Behalf Of Michael Hume Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 3:45 PM To: labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu Subject: [labnetwork] Fire Suppression for Gas Cabinets (HBr/BCl3/Cl2) Hello All, We are installing 2 new cabinets in our cleanroom for toxic gasses. One will house Hbr & BCl3, the other Cl2 & N2 (purge). We have very limited experience dealing with these gasses and I am wondering if anyone can offer and advice with regards to best methods/practice for fire suppression in each of the cabinets. 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Bob Henderson From: labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] On Behalf Of Noah Clay Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 6:24 AM To: Michael Hume Cc: labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu Subject: Re: [labnetwork] Fire Suppression for Gas Cabinets (HBr/BCl3/Cl2) Michael, At Penn, these cabinets and VMBs have UV/IR sensors and are internally sprinkled. This was mandated by our insurance underwriters. It may open a can of worms, but I suggest inquiring with them; their requirements tend to supersede all else. -Noah Clay University of Pennsylvania Philadelphia, PA Sent from my iPhone On Mar 31, 2016, at 18:45, Michael Hume wrote: Hello All, We are installing 2 new cabinets in our cleanroom for toxic gasses. One will house Hbr & BCl3, the other Cl2 & N2 (purge). We have very limited experience dealing with these gasses and I am wondering if anyone can offer and advice with regards to best methods/practice for fire suppression in each of the cabinets. Thanks in advance, -- Michael Hume IT & System Specialist University of Alberta - nanoFAB W1-060 ECERF Building 9107 - 116 Street Edmonton, Alberta Canada T6G 2V4 www.nanofab.ualberta.ca Ph: 587-879-1519 _______________________________________________ labnetwork mailing list labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tbritton at criticalsystemsinc.com Fri Apr 1 13:58:49 2016 From: tbritton at criticalsystemsinc.com (Tom Britton) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 17:58:49 +0000 Subject: [labnetwork] Fire Suppression for Gas Cabinets (HBr/BCl3/Cl2) In-Reply-To: <000b01d18c39$80fe29a0$82fa7ce0$@henderson@etchedintimeinc.com> References: <000b01d18c39$80fe29a0$82fa7ce0$@henderson@etchedintimeinc.com> Message-ID: <9820889A26AAC34EBEB01D62DFCEEB2E01483779@P3PWEX2MB006.ex2.secureserver.net> Thank you Bob! I'll weigh in on this one as well. We supply sprinklers in all of our gas systems (Cabinets, Rack Units and VMBs) for HPM gases, and strongly suggest that they be used as part of a proper fire suppression strategy. Reading what others have written, they all center around sprinkling an area which is correct, so I'll add a few comments on sprinklers in general. 1. Sprinklers in the gas cabinets are good for dousing the flames when gases catch fire, but several gases are not extinguished with water. In these events the goal is to keep the fire under control until it can be suppressed. 2. Sprinklers in gas cabinets are primarily there to keep the cylinders cool during a fire so they don't detonate. A gas cabinet fire is a violent event, (see attached photo) with temperatures rapidly rising inside of a confined space enclosure with one or two heavy walled aluminum or steel cylinders full of flammable liquid (assumption that the gases are flammable). Should the cylinders get too hot, combustion can occur. 3. Properly designed gas cabinets, with appropriate switches (temperature, UVIR, hazardous gas monitor, excess flow) that shut the cabinet down upon event, coupled with proper cylinder change and maintenance procedures, including leak testing of the new cylinder installed before gas is introduced, do a very good job of making sure that a fire does not occur. Best to everyone and hope to all in June at the UGIM Conference in Utah. Ian and his team are working hard to make this a success, and I'm excited to see what they have done with the place. Thank you! Tom Tom Britton Director of Sales Critical Systems, Inc. Direct: 208-890-1417 Office: 877-572-5515 www.CriticalSystemsInc.com [logo for email signature png] From: Bob Henderson [mailto:bob.henderson at etchedintimeinc.com] Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 11:11 AM To: 'Noah Clay'; 'Michael Hume' Cc: labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu; Tom Britton Subject: RE: [labnetwork] Fire Suppression for Gas Cabinets (HBr/BCl3/Cl2) Tom Britton is a contributor to this forum and his company has provided us with a lot of valuable equipment and technical advice regarding VNB and Gas Cabinets. His phone number is 877-572-5515. Bob Henderson From: labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] On Behalf Of Noah Clay Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 6:24 AM To: Michael Hume Cc: labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu Subject: Re: [labnetwork] Fire Suppression for Gas Cabinets (HBr/BCl3/Cl2) Michael, At Penn, these cabinets and VMBs have UV/IR sensors and are internally sprinkled. This was mandated by our insurance underwriters. It may open a can of worms, but I suggest inquiring with them; their requirements tend to supersede all else. -Noah Clay University of Pennsylvania Philadelphia, PA Sent from my iPhone On Mar 31, 2016, at 18:45, Michael Hume > wrote: Hello All, We are installing 2 new cabinets in our cleanroom for toxic gasses. One will house Hbr & BCl3, the other Cl2 & N2 (purge). We have very limited experience dealing with these gasses and I am wondering if anyone can offer and advice with regards to best methods/practice for fire suppression in each of the cabinets. Thanks in advance, -- Michael Hume IT & System Specialist University of Alberta - nanoFAB W1-060 ECERF Building 9107 - 116 Street Edmonton, Alberta Canada T6G 2V4 www.nanofab.ualberta.ca Ph: 587-879-1519 _______________________________________________ labnetwork mailing list labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Rick Draper Principal Member of the Technical Staff 555 Technology Square Cambridge Ma, 02139-3563 www.draper.com rmorrison at draper.com W 617-258-3420 C 508-930-3461 ________________________________ Notice: This email and any attachments may contain proprietary (Draper non-public) and/or export-controlled information of Draper. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, please immediately notify the sender by replying to this email and immediately destroy all copies of this email. ________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nclay at upenn.edu Fri Apr 1 16:35:58 2016 From: nclay at upenn.edu (Noah Clay) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 16:35:58 -0400 Subject: [labnetwork] looking for some references In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <60B7074D-6526-473B-9072-489C60A15EEE@upenn.edu> Rick, We have a new Gen3 MA6 with backside align from Suss MicroTec. Uptime/reliability is excellent and post sales support has been as well. The system is PM'd twice annually by Suss. Imaging quality is standard for a mask aligner. My staff don't have to do much to get illumination uniformity less than +/- 2.5% over 150 mm after a lamp change (1000 W light source). We mainly use the system for 100 mm wafer, piece work and some 150 mm processing. All thumbs-up here at Penn. Best, Noah University of Pennsylvania Philadelphia, PA Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 1, 2016, at 14:54, Morrison, Richard H., Jr. wrote: > > HI, > > This group was very helpful when Draper purchased a DRIE tool last year. I would like to tap your collective opinions on a new topic Mask Aligners. > > We have narrowed our search down to Suss vs Neutronix/Quintel. I am looking for feedback on spare parts and out of warranty service. 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URL: From IRHarvey at eng.utah.edu Fri Apr 1 16:48:07 2016 From: IRHarvey at eng.utah.edu (Ian Harvey) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 14:48:07 -0600 Subject: [labnetwork] UGIM '16 SLC: Invitation to register for research cleanroom administration conference June 12-15, 2016 Message-ID: Dear Research Cleanroom Labnetwork, If you are associated with administering or operating a research (user) cleanroom, UGIM'16 in SLC continues the informational programming that should be of interest to you. Visit our webpage for the draft day-by-day program: ugim.nanofab.utah.edu/program Technical Highlights: ? Sessions and panels on operational and facilities safety ? Expert panel and discussion sessions on laboratory finance and facility upgrade planning/architecture ? Sessions on managing difficult (toxic, cross-contaminating) materials ? Extended workshops on managing the infrastructure including HPM sourcing, sensing and abatement ? Sunday bootie camp to cover operational basics, operational safety and entry level open-source community-developed lab management software Networking Opportunities: ? Sunday introductory session for new labs and new attendees ? Working topical and role-based lunches ? Evening mixers on Sunday, Monday, and Tuesday Lasting Value: ? Presentation PDF's will be available for download ? The program guide will be in a PDF format easy to annotate in real-time and archive for later searching International Guests: Please contact me if you need an official letter of invitation to assist the issuing of a visa. In Need of Travel Justification? We have a session specifically intended to help you: Sunday morning our opening session will introduce first-time attendees, new fab facilities and others. Please contact the session chair if you need an invitation: Bill Flounders Hotel Information: We recommend registering early (before May 1, 2016) to save yourself some money by visiting http://ugim.nanofab.utah.edu/registration/. Hotel reservations at the University Guest House on the University of Utah campus can be made OVER THE PHONE ONLY by calling 1-888-416-4075. This gets you access to $109 rates in the UGIM reserved block of rooms. ugim.nanofab.utah.edu/lodging-2/ Stay and Play: ? Social evening events monday and tuesday are open to registered attendees and their guests: Train ride up a local canyon, and mountain gondola to closing banquet ? There are several groups who are beginning to plan group camping, golfing, and hiking events before and after the conference. 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URL: From julia.aebersold at louisville.edu Fri Apr 1 18:13:27 2016 From: julia.aebersold at louisville.edu (julia.aebersold at louisville.edu) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 22:13:27 +0000 Subject: [labnetwork] looking for some references In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Our experience with Suss is that they have great tools, but their service is beyond the pale. Extremely slow, overpriced and non-responsive. We use a 3rd party contractor for annual maintenance. We sent a part to Germany to be repaired for backside alignment on November and we will not receive it until June. They also want to charge by the hour for over the phone support and have a $200 minimum for ordering parts. Cheers! Julia Aebersold, Ph.D. Cleanroom Manager Micro/Nano Technology Center University of Louisville Shumaker Research Building, Room 233 2210 South Brook Street Louisville, KY 40292 502-852-1572 http://louisville.edu/micronano/ From: labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] On Behalf Of Morrison, Richard H., Jr. Sent: Friday, April 1, 2016 2:55 PM To: labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu Subject: [labnetwork] looking for some references HI, This group was very helpful when Draper purchased a DRIE tool last year. I would like to tap your collective opinions on a new topic Mask Aligners. We have narrowed our search down to Suss vs Neutronix/Quintel. I am looking for feedback on spare parts and out of warranty service. Process wish the tools are very similar. Thanks in advance for any help you can offer. Rick Draper Principal Member of the Technical Staff 555 Technology Square Cambridge Ma, 02139-3563 www.draper.com rmorrison at draper.com W 617-258-3420 C 508-930-3461 ________________________________ Notice: This email and any attachments may contain proprietary (Draper non-public) and/or export-controlled information of Draper. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, please immediately notify the sender by replying to this email and immediately destroy all copies of this email. ________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lej at danchip.dtu.dk Sat Apr 2 05:55:55 2016 From: lej at danchip.dtu.dk (Leif Johansen) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2016 09:55:55 +0000 Subject: [labnetwork] looking for some references In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <879AEF5002D70747B136D02BC86A9C986325B6@ait-pex02mbx05.win.dtu.dk> Hello Rick, We have two S?ss MA6 mask aligners. One dates back to 1999, while the other one is from 2014. They are both very reliable tools and suit a multi-user environment well, since they are very easy to use and difficult to break. We are generally quite satisfied with the service we receive from S?ss. Of course, one cannot expect 24 hours response time if one does not have a service contract, but they can usually send a field service engineer within 1-2 weeks. It is, however, quite seldom that we request their presence. Most problems are small enough to be dealt with by our staff. Queries by e-mail are usually responded to within 1-2 days. Best regards, Leif Leif S. Johansen Head of Operations DTU Danchip Technical University of Denmark [http://www.dtu.dk/images/DTU_email_logo_01.gif] Danchip ?rsteds Plads, Byg. 347 2800 Lyngby Direct +45 45255713 Mobile +45 25348992 lesjo at danchip.dtu.dk www.danchip.dtu.dk/ From: labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] On Behalf Of Morrison, Richard H., Jr. Sent: 1. april 2016 20:55 To: labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu Subject: [labnetwork] looking for some references HI, This group was very helpful when Draper purchased a DRIE tool last year. I would like to tap your collective opinions on a new topic Mask Aligners. We have narrowed our search down to Suss vs Neutronix/Quintel. I am looking for feedback on spare parts and out of warranty service. Process wish the tools are very similar. Thanks in advance for any help you can offer. 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Best regards, Dr. Michael Khbeis Associate Director, Washington Nanofabrication Facility (WNF) National Nanotechnology Coordinated Infrastructure (NNCI) University of Washington Fluke Hall, Box 352143 (O) 206.543.5101 (F) 206.221.1681 (C) 443.254.5192 khbeis at uw.edu www.wnf.washington.edu/ From nclay at upenn.edu Mon Apr 4 20:30:02 2016 From: nclay at upenn.edu (Noah Clay) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 20:30:02 -0400 Subject: [labnetwork] Industrial Client Policies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <66F54E40-19E9-421F-9BC7-674877732391@upenn.edu> Michael, We have very limited discretionary leverage/funds for employee retention at Penn. This would typically include a one-time bonus, salary adjustment and/or a flexible work-from-home arrangement. I've encountered a few folks who've been through poaching recently; the "poached" were very valuable and irreplaceable employees...or so it was thought. In all cases, they've been able to find great replacements, often upgrading and a wave of fresh ideas from the "new blood". I do wish you the best - Regards, Noah Clay University of Pennsylvania Philadelphia, PA Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 4, 2016, at 13:41, Michael Khbeis wrote: > > Dear Lab Managers, > > I am going to venture that, like us, you generally shy away, or are likely prohibited from getting involved with the business affairs of your industrial clients. Recently, we have had an uptick in employee poaching between industrial users and even a few from lab staff. I am curious if you have experienced similar challenges at your sites and what measures, if any, you employ to discourage that from happening. > > Best regards, > > Dr. Michael Khbeis > Associate Director, Washington Nanofabrication Facility (WNF) > National Nanotechnology Coordinated Infrastructure (NNCI) > University of Washington > Fluke Hall, Box 352143 > (O) 206.543.5101 > (F) 206.221.1681 > (C) 443.254.5192 > khbeis at uw.edu > www.wnf.washington.edu/ > > > _______________________________________________ > labnetwork mailing list > labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu > https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork From julia.aebersold at louisville.edu Tue Apr 5 09:35:00 2016 From: julia.aebersold at louisville.edu (julia.aebersold at louisville.edu) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 13:35:00 +0000 Subject: [labnetwork] Industrial Client Policies In-Reply-To: <66F54E40-19E9-421F-9BC7-674877732391@upenn.edu> References: , <66F54E40-19E9-421F-9BC7-674877732391@upenn.edu> Message-ID: Due to our geographic location this has not happened, yet. But as we continue to grow it may become an issue down the road. Engineers that have processing AND tool troubleshooting experience are very high targets for getting poached. Cheers! Julia Aebersold, Ph.D. MNTC Cleanroom Manager University of Louisville 2210 South Brook Street Shumaker Research Building, Room 233 Louisville, KY 40292 (502) 852-1572 http://louisville.edu/micronano/ ________________________________________ From: labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu [labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] on behalf of Noah Clay [nclay at upenn.edu] Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 8:30 PM To: Michael Khbeis Cc: Lab Network (labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu) Subject: Re: [labnetwork] Industrial Client Policies Michael, We have very limited discretionary leverage/funds for employee retention at Penn. This would typically include a one-time bonus, salary adjustment and/or a flexible work-from-home arrangement. I've encountered a few folks who've been through poaching recently; the "poached" were very valuable and irreplaceable employees...or so it was thought. In all cases, they've been able to find great replacements, often upgrading and a wave of fresh ideas from the "new blood". I do wish you the best - Regards, Noah Clay University of Pennsylvania Philadelphia, PA Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 4, 2016, at 13:41, Michael Khbeis wrote: > > Dear Lab Managers, > > I am going to venture that, like us, you generally shy away, or are likely prohibited from getting involved with the business affairs of your industrial clients. Recently, we have had an uptick in employee poaching between industrial users and even a few from lab staff. I am curious if you have experienced similar challenges at your sites and what measures, if any, you employ to discourage that from happening. > > Best regards, > > Dr. Michael Khbeis > Associate Director, Washington Nanofabrication Facility (WNF) > National Nanotechnology Coordinated Infrastructure (NNCI) > University of Washington > Fluke Hall, Box 352143 > (O) 206.543.5101 > (F) 206.221.1681 > (C) 443.254.5192 > khbeis at uw.edu > www.wnf.washington.edu/ > > > _______________________________________________ > labnetwork mailing list > labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www-2Dmtl.mit.edu_mailman_listinfo.cgi_labnetwork&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=dinfzkbAbqkWVX3xF1fcv2PCcim1G4Oe9iPy5r31AUk&m=GYokpTtIJCRkW6Yi4VIF29E48S0TUa3T5BUs80Y7Y08&s=SKe4JI__1En8_PHTIjjdzx-v94RcVdlpEIIO8jnydmM&e= _______________________________________________ labnetwork mailing list labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www-2Dmtl.mit.edu_mailman_listinfo.cgi_labnetwork&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=dinfzkbAbqkWVX3xF1fcv2PCcim1G4Oe9iPy5r31AUk&m=GYokpTtIJCRkW6Yi4VIF29E48S0TUa3T5BUs80Y7Y08&s=SKe4JI__1En8_PHTIjjdzx-v94RcVdlpEIIO8jnydmM&e= From bob at eecs.berkeley.edu Tue Apr 5 11:27:51 2016 From: bob at eecs.berkeley.edu (Robert M. HAMILTON) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 08:27:51 -0700 Subject: [labnetwork] Industrial Client Policies Message-ID: Lab Colleagues, re: staff poaching I'll echo Noah Clay's comment about employee-turnover sharing a maxim, "cemeteries are filled with irreplaceable people". I've managed equipment and facilities staff for more than 33 years with people coming and going. In the beginning I took it personally when someone decided to move on. That's no longer the case. We've yet to identify anyone we could not replace. When we post a position we'll often get 50-100 applicants. Typically only a handful are actually qualified yet among this small group of the "qualified" we find wonderful talent. In the beginning I had anxiety when staff decided to leave. This evolved to an appreciation that periodically I'd be forced to land on my feet and fill that position for duration and find ways to harness and learn from others in our front line to keep operations on track. On occasion I have also remained friends with and followed the careers of past employees. While some former staff have excelled most were no better, and often worse off, in their careers. On a couple of occasions we've rehired appreciative employees with great success. "Fabology" requires a unique set of skills. Government and university research labs face inadequate budgets and we deal with legacy equipment and tools. This requires a special skills. The rewards of the job are rubbing elbows with extraordinary young talent, being part of a community and learning wonderful things - I learn something new every day at my job. These are the privileges of the job and someone who does not appreciative such things or are unhappy, we encourage them to leave. We "develop them out". Ultimately, there's no point trying to influence an employee with vaulting ambition. And on occasion, we find people with so much talent that in fairness to them we go out of our way to help them find rewarding positions. Regards, Bob Hamilton Robert Hamilton University of CA, Berkeley Marvell NanoLab Equipment Manager Rm 520 Sutardja Dai Hall, MC 1754 Berkeley, CA 94720 Phone 510-809-8618 (desk - preferred) Mobile 510-325-7557 (my personal mobile) E-mail preferred: bob at eecs.berkeley.edu http://nanolab.berkeley.edu/ On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 5:30 PM, Noah Clay wrote: > Michael, > > We have very limited discretionary leverage/funds for employee retention > at Penn. This would typically include a one-time bonus, salary adjustment > and/or a flexible work-from-home arrangement. > > I've encountered a few folks who've been through poaching recently; the > "poached" were very valuable and irreplaceable employees...or so it was > thought. In all cases, they've been able to find great replacements, often > upgrading and a wave of fresh ideas from the "new blood". > > I do wish you the best - > > Regards, > Noah Clay > > University of Pennsylvania > Philadelphia, PA > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Apr 4, 2016, at 13:41, Michael Khbeis wrote: > > > > Dear Lab Managers, > > > > I am going to venture that, like us, you generally shy away, or are > likely prohibited from getting involved with the business affairs of your > industrial clients. Recently, we have had an uptick in employee poaching > between industrial users and even a few from lab staff. I am curious if you > have experienced similar challenges at your sites and what measures, if > any, you employ to discourage that from happening. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Dr. Michael Khbeis > > Associate Director, Washington Nanofabrication Facility (WNF) > > National Nanotechnology Coordinated Infrastructure (NNCI) > > University of Washington > > Fluke Hall, Box 352143 > > (O) 206.543.5101 > > (F) 206.221.1681 > > (C) 443.254.5192 > > khbeis at uw.edu > > www.wnf.washington.edu/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > labnetwork mailing list > > labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu > > https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork > > > _______________________________________________ > labnetwork mailing list > labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu > https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stevescoggin at gmail.com Tue Apr 5 15:56:33 2016 From: stevescoggin at gmail.com (Steve Scoggin) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 14:56:33 -0500 Subject: [labnetwork] Lab Manager/Director Message-ID: <733119D2-2D24-47F5-AEF3-0DA48F7E552B@gmail.com> Greetings Lab Workers In the past I have seen messages on this sight for folks seeking to fill various positions at their sites. I have a colleague that I would like to try and assist in finding an academic or goV lab position. He was recently laid off from industry(fab house)with 25 + years experience. I don't know of anyone with my past 40 years of fab experience, that comes close to his resume in terms of diversity. If anyone knows of or is looking for someone please let me know, this guy is a difference maker at any level. Best, SS From hbtusainc at yahoo.com Tue Apr 5 22:51:00 2016 From: hbtusainc at yahoo.com (Mario Portillo) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 02:51:00 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [labnetwork] Industrial Client Policies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2047713617.4020361.1459911060499.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> It would be very selfish to hold or stop people from advancing their professional careers and income for self purposes. Gov/Academia need to level their pay to meet or come close to industry. The bottom line is that all of us need to meet our financial responsibilities. Lets dont be the road block of people advancing, as Mr. Hamilton mentioned, we all are replaceable. My two cents, Regards. Mario A. Portillo Sr. HIGH'born Technology USA Inc.. Semiconductor Equipment Services 8130 Glades Road, #229 Boca Raton, FL 33434 561 470-1975 office 561 504-0244 cell hbtusainc at yahoo.com www.hbtusainc.com ________________________________ From: Robert M. HAMILTON To: "Lab Network (labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu)" Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2016 11:27 PM Subject: Re: [labnetwork] Industrial Client Policies Lab Colleagues, re: staff poaching I'll echo Noah Clay's comment about employee-turnover sharing a maxim, "cemeteries are filled with irreplaceable people". I've managed equipment and facilities staff for more than 33 years with people coming and going. In the beginning I took it personally when someone decided to move on. That's no longer the case. We've yet to identify anyone we could not replace. When we post a position we'll often get 50-100 applicants. Typically only a handful are actually qualified yet among this small group of the "qualified" we find wonderful talent. In the beginning I had anxiety when staff decided to leave. This evolved to an appreciation that periodically I'd be forced to land on my feet and fill that position for duration and find ways to harness and learn from others in our front line to keep operations on track. On occasion I have also remained friends with and followed the careers of past employees. While some former staff have excelled most were no better, and often worse off, in their careers. On a couple of occasions we've rehired appreciative employees with great success. "Fabology" requires a unique set of skills. Government and university research labs face inadequate budgets and we deal with legacy equipment and tools. This requires a special skills. The rewards of the job are rubbing elbows with extraordinary young talent, being part of a community and learning wonderful things - I learn something new every day at my job. These are the privileges of the job and someone who does not appreciative such things or are unhappy, we encourage them to leave. We "develop them out". Ultimately, there's no point trying to influence an employee with vaulting ambition. And on occasion, we find people with so much talent that in fairness to them we go out of our way to help them find rewarding positions. Regards, Bob Hamilton Robert Hamilton University of CA, Berkeley Marvell NanoLab Equipment Manager Rm 520 Sutardja Dai Hall, MC 1754 Berkeley, CA 94720 Phone 510-809-8618 (desk - preferred) Mobile 510-325-7557 (my personal mobile) E-mail preferred: bob at eecs.berkeley.edu http://nanolab.berkeley.edu/ On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 5:30 PM, Noah Clay wrote: Michael, > >We have very limited discretionary leverage/funds for employee retention at Penn. This would typically include a one-time bonus, salary adjustment and/or a flexible work-from-home arrangement. > >I've encountered a few folks who've been through poaching recently; the "poached" were very valuable and irreplaceable employees...or so it was thought. In all cases, they've been able to find great replacements, often upgrading and a wave of fresh ideas from the "new blood". > >I do wish you the best - > >Regards, >Noah Clay > >University of Pennsylvania >Philadelphia, PA > >Sent from my iPhone > > >> On Apr 4, 2016, at 13:41, Michael Khbeis wrote: >> >> Dear Lab Managers, >> >> I am going to venture that, like us, you generally shy away, or are likely prohibited from getting involved with the business affairs of your industrial clients. Recently, we have had an uptick in employee poaching between industrial users and even a few from lab staff. I am curious if you have experienced similar challenges at your sites and what measures, if any, you employ to discourage that from happening. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Dr. Michael Khbeis >> Associate Director, Washington Nanofabrication Facility (WNF) >> National Nanotechnology Coordinated Infrastructure (NNCI) >> University of Washington >> Fluke Hall, Box 352143 >> (O) 206.543.5101 >> (F) 206.221.1681 >> (C) 443.254.5192 >> khbeis at uw.edu >> www.wnf.washington.edu/ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> labnetwork mailing list >> labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu >> https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork > > >_______________________________________________ >labnetwork mailing list >labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu >https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork > _______________________________________________ labnetwork mailing list labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork From vozguz at sabanciuniv.edu Wed Apr 6 01:49:47 2016 From: vozguz at sabanciuniv.edu (Volkan Ozguz) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 08:49:47 +0300 Subject: [labnetwork] Industrial Client Policies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Michael We had one interesting example in our 4 years of existence. One equipment manufacturer, trained one of our experienced staff and after a few months they offered him a very lucrative offer, for a position in their tech center in Europe. We had no means for matching, even coming closer to the terms. We warned the manufacturer. We couldn't keep the staff member. We parted ways in amicable terms. Since then, we had a few more staff leaving for better offers for industrial positions especially in Europe. We had a few months of struggle every time. We are trying to benefit from the undergraduate and graduate students studying in these areas. We are trying to keep the pipeline full by training more people as much as we can. We couldn't find any better solution. In our geographical location, we can rarely find trained, qualified tech staff. Regards Volkan Volkan ?zg?z ? ? Director ? Sabanc? University Nanotechnology Research and Application Center - SUNUM Orhanl?, Tuzla, ?stanbul 34956 Office: 90 216 483 9834 Fax: 90 216 483 9885 Email: vozguz at sabanciuniv.edu Web: http://sunum.sabanciuniv.edu On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 8:41 PM, Michael Khbeis wrote: > Dear Lab Managers, > > I am going to venture that, like us, you generally shy away, or are likely > prohibited from getting involved with the business affairs of your > industrial clients. Recently, we have had an uptick in employee poaching > between industrial users and even a few from lab staff. I am curious if you > have experienced similar challenges at your sites and what measures, if > any, you employ to discourage that from happening. > > Best regards, > > Dr. Michael Khbeis > Associate Director, Washington Nanofabrication Facility (WNF) > National Nanotechnology Coordinated Infrastructure (NNCI) > University of Washington > Fluke Hall, Box 352143 > (O) 206.543.5101 > (F) 206.221.1681 > (C) 443.254.5192 > khbeis at uw.edu > www.wnf.washington.edu/ > > > _______________________________________________ > labnetwork mailing list > labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu > https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jrweaver at purdue.edu Wed Apr 6 08:17:47 2016 From: jrweaver at purdue.edu (Weaver, John R) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 12:17:47 +0000 Subject: [labnetwork] Industrial Client Policies In-Reply-To: <2047713617.4020361.1459911060499.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2047713617.4020361.1459911060499.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I would like to strongly echo what Bob said. I, too, have managed people - since before graduating from college! Since 1974 I have had responsibility in managing engineers and technicians and have obviously experienced a lot in those years. As Bob stated, people come and go and the work goes on. I had a mentor many years ago who said, "When someone leaves here it is like your hand being pulled from a bucket of water. The whole level goes down, but there's no hole." As Bob also stated, I believe it is important to assist the careers of those who work for us. I see it as a moral imperative, even if it hurts when they leave. Like Bob, I have re-hired people who left for greener pastures and found they weren't so green after all. Others have flourished in their new careers. Many have stayed in contact with me as their careers progress. The one thing that I'll add to what Bob said is that when I have hired people into academic positions I have made it very clear that the salary structure is not like that in industry. I don't believe, Mario, that many universities can meet industry salary scales, and I don't want to give university employees false hope. Instead, I emphasize the other benefits that exist or can be earned as a university employee. I have found that some people favor the rewards as a university employee and some would rather look at salary status. It is best to have the latter take industry jobs before putting a lot of training into them. Change is a fact of life. For what it's worth, John -----Original Message----- From: labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] On Behalf Of Mario Portillo Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2016 10:51 PM To: bob at eecs.berkeley.edu; Lab Network (labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu) Subject: Re: [labnetwork] Industrial Client Policies It would be very selfish to hold or stop people from advancing their professional careers and income for self purposes. Gov/Academia need to level their pay to meet or come close to industry. The bottom line is that all of us need to meet our financial responsibilities. Lets dont be the road block of people advancing, as Mr. Hamilton mentioned, we all are replaceable. My two cents, Regards. Mario A. Portillo Sr. HIGH'born Technology USA Inc.. Semiconductor Equipment Services 8130 Glades Road, #229 Boca Raton, FL 33434 561 470-1975 office 561 504-0244 cell hbtusainc at yahoo.com www.hbtusainc.com ________________________________ From: Robert M. HAMILTON To: "Lab Network (labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu)" Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2016 11:27 PM Subject: Re: [labnetwork] Industrial Client Policies Lab Colleagues, re: staff poaching I'll echo Noah Clay's comment about employee-turnover sharing a maxim, "cemeteries are filled with irreplaceable people". I've managed equipment and facilities staff for more than 33 years with people coming and going. In the beginning I took it personally when someone decided to move on. That's no longer the case. We've yet to identify anyone we could not replace. When we post a position we'll often get 50-100 applicants. Typically only a handful are actually qualified yet among this small group of the "qualified" we find wonderful talent. In the beginning I had anxiety when staff decided to leave. This evolved to an appreciation that periodically I'd be forced to land on my feet and fill that position for duration and find ways to harness and learn from others in our front line to keep operations on track. On occasion I have also remained friends with and followed the careers of past employees. While some former staff have excelled most were no better, and often worse off, in their careers. On a couple of occasions we've rehired appreciative employees with great success. "Fabology" requires a unique set of skills. Government and university research labs face inadequate budgets and we deal with legacy equipment and tools. This requires a special skills. The rewards of the job are rubbing elbows with extraordinary young talent, being part of a community and learning wonderful things - I learn something new every day at my job. These are the privileges of the job and someone who does not appreciative such things or are unhappy, we encourage them to leave. We "develop them out". Ultimately, there's no point trying to influence an employee with vaulting ambition. And on occasion, we find people with so much talent that in fairness to them we go out of our way to help them find rewarding positions. Regards, Bob Hamilton Robert Hamilton University of CA, Berkeley Marvell NanoLab Equipment Manager Rm 520 Sutardja Dai Hall, MC 1754 Berkeley, CA 94720 Phone 510-809-8618 (desk - preferred) Mobile 510-325-7557 (my personal mobile) E-mail preferred: bob at eecs.berkeley.edu http://nanolab.berkeley.edu/ On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 5:30 PM, Noah Clay wrote: Michael, > >We have very limited discretionary leverage/funds for employee retention at Penn. This would typically include a one-time bonus, salary adjustment and/or a flexible work-from-home arrangement. > >I've encountered a few folks who've been through poaching recently; the "poached" were very valuable and irreplaceable employees...or so it was thought. In all cases, they've been able to find great replacements, often upgrading and a wave of fresh ideas from the "new blood". > >I do wish you the best - > >Regards, >Noah Clay > >University of Pennsylvania >Philadelphia, PA > >Sent from my iPhone > > >> On Apr 4, 2016, at 13:41, Michael Khbeis wrote: >> >> Dear Lab Managers, >> >> I am going to venture that, like us, you generally shy away, or are likely prohibited from getting involved with the business affairs of your industrial clients. Recently, we have had an uptick in employee poaching between industrial users and even a few from lab staff. I am curious if you have experienced similar challenges at your sites and what measures, if any, you employ to discourage that from happening. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Dr. Michael Khbeis >> Associate Director, Washington Nanofabrication Facility (WNF) >> National Nanotechnology Coordinated Infrastructure (NNCI) >> University of Washington >> Fluke Hall, Box 352143 >> (O) 206.543.5101 >> (F) 206.221.1681 >> (C) 443.254.5192 >> khbeis at uw.edu >> www.wnf.washington.edu/ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> labnetwork mailing list >> labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu >> https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork > > >_______________________________________________ >labnetwork mailing list >labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu >https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork > _______________________________________________ labnetwork mailing list labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork _______________________________________________ labnetwork mailing list labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork From lrehn at tamu.edu Wed Apr 6 10:15:46 2016 From: lrehn at tamu.edu (Rehn, Larry A) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 14:15:46 +0000 Subject: [labnetwork] Industrial Client Policies In-Reply-To: <2047713617.4020361.1459911060499.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2047713617.4020361.1459911060499.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5e10d600f5284687917bc06d11910917@exch-2p-mbx-w3.ads.tamu.edu> I agree with comments that it is counterproductive to try to hold people back in their career paths. Better to wish departing employees the best, and move on. However, that does not mean that we should not try to improve the competitiveness and attractiveness of our workplace environment to retain good employees. Having worked many years in the semiconductor industry, and now about 3 years in academia, I can appreciate the distinctions. It appears that academia generally cannot compete with salaries that are offered in industry. But, we can offer other advantages in the work environment. Texas A&M has done a very good job in providing meaningful workshops and employee development opportunities. I found job stress to be a lot less in research/academia compared to the manufacturing environment. Perhaps the biggest reward for me has been outside of my formal job description - the opportunity to mentor and interact with bright and energetic young people who seek the guidance of some of us more "experienced" folks. Best regards, Larry A Rehn Technical Lab Manager AggieFab Nanofabrication Facility Texas A&M University 979 845-3199 lrehn at tamu.edu -----Original Message----- From: labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] On Behalf Of Mario Portillo Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2016 9:51 PM To: bob at eecs.berkeley.edu; Lab Network (labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu) Subject: Re: [labnetwork] Industrial Client Policies It would be very selfish to hold or stop people from advancing their professional careers and income for self purposes. Gov/Academia need to level their pay to meet or come close to industry. The bottom line is that all of us need to meet our financial responsibilities. Lets dont be the road block of people advancing, as Mr. Hamilton mentioned, we all are replaceable. My two cents, Regards. Mario A. Portillo Sr. HIGH'born Technology USA Inc.. Semiconductor Equipment Services 8130 Glades Road, #229 Boca Raton, FL 33434 561 470-1975 office 561 504-0244 cell hbtusainc at yahoo.com www.hbtusainc.com ________________________________ From: Robert M. HAMILTON To: "Lab Network (labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu)" Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2016 11:27 PM Subject: Re: [labnetwork] Industrial Client Policies Lab Colleagues, re: staff poaching I'll echo Noah Clay's comment about employee-turnover sharing a maxim, "cemeteries are filled with irreplaceable people". I've managed equipment and facilities staff for more than 33 years with people coming and going. In the beginning I took it personally when someone decided to move on. That's no longer the case. We've yet to identify anyone we could not replace. When we post a position we'll often get 50-100 applicants. Typically only a handful are actually qualified yet among this small group of the "qualified" we find wonderful talent. In the beginning I had anxiety when staff decided to leave. This evolved to an appreciation that periodically I'd be forced to land on my feet and fill that position for duration and find ways to harness and learn from others in our front line to keep operations on track. On occasion I have also remained friends with and followed the careers of past employees. While some former staff have excelled most were no better, and often worse off, in their careers. On a couple of occasions we've rehired appreciative employees with great success. "Fabology" requires a unique set of skills. Government and university research labs face inadequate budgets and we deal with legacy equipment and tools. This requires a special skills. The rewards of the job are rubbing elbows with extraordinary young talent, being part of a community and learning wonderful things - I learn something new every day at my job. These are the privileges of the job and someone who does not appreciative such things or are unhappy, we encourage them to leave. We "develop them out". Ultimately, there's no point trying to influence an employee with vaulting ambition. And on occasion, we find people with so much talent that in fairness to them we go out of our way to help them find rewarding positions. Regards, Bob Hamilton Robert Hamilton University of CA, Berkeley Marvell NanoLab Equipment Manager Rm 520 Sutardja Dai Hall, MC 1754 Berkeley, CA 94720 Phone 510-809-8618 (desk - preferred) Mobile 510-325-7557 (my personal mobile) E-mail preferred: bob at eecs.berkeley.edu http://nanolab.berkeley.edu/ On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 5:30 PM, Noah Clay wrote: Michael, > >We have very limited discretionary leverage/funds for employee retention at Penn. This would typically include a one-time bonus, salary adjustment and/or a flexible work-from-home arrangement. > >I've encountered a few folks who've been through poaching recently; the "poached" were very valuable and irreplaceable employees...or so it was thought. In all cases, they've been able to find great replacements, often upgrading and a wave of fresh ideas from the "new blood". > >I do wish you the best - > >Regards, >Noah Clay > >University of Pennsylvania >Philadelphia, PA > >Sent from my iPhone > > >> On Apr 4, 2016, at 13:41, Michael Khbeis wrote: >> >> Dear Lab Managers, >> >> I am going to venture that, like us, you generally shy away, or are likely prohibited from getting involved with the business affairs of your industrial clients. Recently, we have had an uptick in employee poaching between industrial users and even a few from lab staff. I am curious if you have experienced similar challenges at your sites and what measures, if any, you employ to discourage that from happening. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Dr. Michael Khbeis >> Associate Director, Washington Nanofabrication Facility (WNF) >> National Nanotechnology Coordinated Infrastructure (NNCI) >> University of Washington >> Fluke Hall, Box 352143 >> (O) 206.543.5101 >> (F) 206.221.1681 >> (C) 443.254.5192 >> khbeis at uw.edu >> www.wnf.washington.edu/ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> labnetwork mailing list >> labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu >> https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork > > >_______________________________________________ >labnetwork mailing list >labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu >https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork > _______________________________________________ labnetwork mailing list labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork _______________________________________________ labnetwork mailing list labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork From spaolini at cns.fas.harvard.edu Wed Apr 6 11:19:09 2016 From: spaolini at cns.fas.harvard.edu (Paolini, Steven) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 15:19:09 +0000 Subject: [labnetwork] Industrial Client Policies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well put Bob and Noah. As engineers and scientists, I guess we are not experiencing the business aspect of our occupations on a daily basis as we would in another field. The oldest business rule in the book is about supply and demand. If we are losing staff because of salaries, we must consider the competing industries? offers or at least sweeten up the deal with other benefits. I can speak for myself and say that I much prefer working in this environment instead of a high volume wafer fab, but I want to be paid in a reasonably close range. Steve Paolini Equipment Dood Harvard Center for Nanoscale Systems From: labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] On Behalf Of Robert M. HAMILTON Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2016 11:28 AM To: Lab Network (labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu) Subject: Re: [labnetwork] Industrial Client Policies Lab Colleagues, re: staff poaching I'll echo Noah Clay's comment about employee-turnover sharing a maxim, "cemeteries are filled with irreplaceable people". I've managed equipment and facilities staff for more than 33 years with people coming and going. In the beginning I took it personally when someone decided to move on. That's no longer the case. We've yet to identify anyone we could not replace. When we post a position we'll often get 50-100 applicants. Typically only a handful are actually qualified yet among this small group of the "qualified" we find wonderful talent. In the beginning I had anxiety when staff decided to leave. This evolved to an appreciation that periodically I'd be forced to land on my feet and fill that position for duration and find ways to harness and learn from others in our front line to keep operations on track. On occasion I have also remained friends with and followed the careers of past employees. While some former staff have excelled most were no better, and often worse off, in their careers. On a couple of occasions we've rehired appreciative employees with great success. "Fabology" requires a unique set of skills. Government and university research labs face inadequate budgets and we deal with legacy equipment and tools. This requires a special skills. The rewards of the job are rubbing elbows with extraordinary young talent, being part of a community and learning wonderful things - I learn something new every day at my job. These are the privileges of the job and someone who does not appreciative such things or are unhappy, we encourage them to leave. We "develop them out". Ultimately, there's no point trying to influence an employee with vaulting ambition. And on occasion, we find people with so much talent that in fairness to them we go out of our way to help them find rewarding positions. Regards, Bob Hamilton Robert Hamilton University of CA, Berkeley Marvell NanoLab Equipment Manager Rm 520 Sutardja Dai Hall, MC 1754 Berkeley, CA 94720 Phone 510-809-8618 (desk - preferred) Mobile 510-325-7557 (my personal mobile) E-mail preferred: bob at eecs.berkeley.edu http://nanolab.berkeley.edu/ On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 5:30 PM, Noah Clay > wrote: Michael, We have very limited discretionary leverage/funds for employee retention at Penn. This would typically include a one-time bonus, salary adjustment and/or a flexible work-from-home arrangement. I've encountered a few folks who've been through poaching recently; the "poached" were very valuable and irreplaceable employees...or so it was thought. In all cases, they've been able to find great replacements, often upgrading and a wave of fresh ideas from the "new blood". I do wish you the best - Regards, Noah Clay University of Pennsylvania Philadelphia, PA Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 4, 2016, at 13:41, Michael Khbeis > wrote: > > Dear Lab Managers, > > I am going to venture that, like us, you generally shy away, or are likely prohibited from getting involved with the business affairs of your industrial clients. Recently, we have had an uptick in employee poaching between industrial users and even a few from lab staff. I am curious if you have experienced similar challenges at your sites and what measures, if any, you employ to discourage that from happening. > > Best regards, > > Dr. Michael Khbeis > Associate Director, Washington Nanofabrication Facility (WNF) > National Nanotechnology Coordinated Infrastructure (NNCI) > University of Washington > Fluke Hall, Box 352143 > (O) 206.543.5101 > (F) 206.221.1681 > (C) 443.254.5192 > khbeis at uw.edu > www.wnf.washington.edu/ > > > _______________________________________________ > labnetwork mailing list > labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu > https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork _______________________________________________ labnetwork mailing list labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From swolcott at uchicago.edu Thu Apr 7 11:11:33 2016 From: swolcott at uchicago.edu (Sally J. Wolcott) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 15:11:33 +0000 Subject: [labnetwork] Recruiting Engineering Staff Message-ID: Dear Lab Managers, Thank you for the thoughtful discussion on promoting professional development and retaining qualified staff. Now, I have a different question about finding talented/qualified staff. We are currently recruiting for an equipment engineer for our facility. We have posted the position on our job board (UChicago Jobs posting 100090) and to this list. We are not confident that the applicant pool to date is the best available. Do you have suggestions on where to post engineering positions in order to reach and attract qualified candidates? Thanks, Sally Wolcott Business Manager, Pritzker Nanofabrication Facility Institute for Molecular Engineering University of Chicago 5640 South Ellis Avenue, 105C Chicago, IL 60637 Office: 773-834-3548 Mobile: 773-332-1196 swolcott at uchicago.edu ime.uchicago.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From optotinker at yahoo.com Sat Apr 9 03:32:31 2016 From: optotinker at yahoo.com (Opto Tinker) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 07:32:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [labnetwork] Milton Roy Spectronic 601 Spectrophotometer Repair Manual and Hacking References: <96491692.492922.1460187151159.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <96491692.492922.1460187151159.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Hi, I am looking for a service manual for Milton Roy Spectronic 601 spectrophotometer. My unit turns on and goes into some random mode, usually ends up with one error message or another. The Deuterium lamp is missing, but I don't plan to do UV work. In case I cannot fix it, would it be possible to by-pass the original electronics and put in one's own driver for the monochromator and read out the signal output? Thanks, PS. The detector board has 6 wires: red, black, blue, yellow, green, and orange. I guess the red and black are power supplies. The voltage on orange wire changes when I interrupted the optical path, so I suspect it to be the signal output. The blue wire seem to be some kind of feedback to the light source, because when I touched in with a probe, the light bulb lit up more. I don't know how the chopper fit into this scheme. None of the wires seems carry this chopper signal. From vito.logiudice at uwaterloo.ca Mon Apr 11 16:44:20 2016 From: vito.logiudice at uwaterloo.ca (Vito Logiudice) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 20:44:20 +0000 Subject: [labnetwork] Recommendations for commercially available ERP-type SW packages Message-ID: <5F32C03A-701D-4482-8B79-03C2D48B93AD@connect.uwaterloo.ca> Dear Colleagues, I?m reaching out in the hopes that some of you might be able to recommend a reasonably priced and commercially available simplified ERP-type software package that you are perhaps using for your own fab operations. We?re looking for something that will be quick and easy to implement and which will allow us to track (via built-in databases which can be queried for report generation) three categories of information: 1. Database for storing names, credentials and affiliations of current and past lab members 2. Database for tracking of lab user invoices and balances owed per PI (accounts receivable) 3. Database for detailed tracking of operations costs which are assigned to a specific category of expense (ie., consumables, repairs, spare parts, upgrades, etc.) which are in turn assigned to a specific tool. This would enable the generation of detailed annual cost of operations reports, including total annual cost per tool, which could in turn be used to adjust equipment access rates as needed. We had initially hoped that our internal IT group could develop a simple platform in house but it appears now that competing interests will keep this from happening. Thank you very much for any insights or recommendations. Best regards, Vito -- Vito Logiudice P.Eng. Director of Operations, Quantum NanoFab University of Waterloo Lazaridis QNC 1207 200 University Avenue West Waterloo, ON Canada N2L 3G1 Tel.: (519) 888-4567 ext. 38703 Email: vito.logiudice at uwaterloo.ca Website: https://fab.qnc.uwaterloo.ca -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sandrine at umich.edu Mon Apr 11 20:55:26 2016 From: sandrine at umich.edu (Sandrine Martin) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 20:55:26 -0400 Subject: [labnetwork] Recommendations for commercially available ERP-type SW packages In-Reply-To: <5F32C03A-701D-4482-8B79-03C2D48B93AD@connect.uwaterloo.ca> References: <5F32C03A-701D-4482-8B79-03C2D48B93AD@connect.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: Hello Vito, At the University of Michigan LNF, we've developed our own system for monitoring such data (which we find critical in order to really optimize our operations), together with the tool scheduling/access. If you go back to that option and want to discuss details, I'd be happy to provide more information. Thanks Sandrine On Monday, April 11, 2016, Vito Logiudice wrote: > Dear Colleagues, > > I?m reaching out in the hopes that some of you might be able to recommend > a reasonably priced and commercially available simplified ERP-type software > package that you are perhaps using for your own fab operations. We?re > looking for something that will be quick and easy to implement and which > will allow us to track (via built-in databases which can be queried for > report generation) three categories of information: > > 1. Database for storing names, credentials and affiliations of current > and past lab members > 2. Database for tracking of lab user invoices and balances owed per PI > (accounts receivable) > 3. Database for detailed tracking of operations costs which are > assigned to a specific category of expense (ie., consumables, repairs, > spare parts, upgrades, etc.) which are in turn assigned to a specific tool. > This would enable the generation of detailed annual cost of operations > reports, including total annual cost per tool, which could in turn be used > to adjust equipment access rates as needed. > > We had initially hoped that our internal IT group could develop a simple > platform in house but it appears now that competing interests will keep > this from happening. > > Thank you very much for any insights or recommendations. > > Best regards, > Vito > -- > Vito Logiudice P.Eng. > Director of Operations, Quantum NanoFab > University of Waterloo > Lazaridis QNC 1207 > 200 University Avenue West > Waterloo, ON Canada N2L 3G1 > Tel.: (519) 888-4567 ext. 38703 > Email: vito.logiudice at uwaterloo.ca > > Website: https://fab.qnc.uwaterloo.ca > > -- Sandrine Martin, Ph.D. University of Michigan LNF Managing Director 1246D EECS, 1301 Beal Ave Ann Arbor, MI 48109 Cell 734-277-2365 Fax 734-647-1781 www.LNF.umich.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thomasl at mtl.mit.edu Tue Apr 12 09:23:41 2016 From: thomasl at mtl.mit.edu (Thomas Lohman) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 09:23:41 -0400 Subject: [labnetwork] Recommendations for commercially available ERP-type SW packages In-Reply-To: References: <5F32C03A-701D-4482-8B79-03C2D48B93AD@connect.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <570CF6DD.6060905@mtl.mit.edu> > 1. Database for storing names, credentials and affiliations of > current and past lab members > 2. Database for tracking of lab user invoices and balances owed per > PI (accounts receivable) > 3. Database for detailed tracking of operations costs which are > assigned to a specific category of expense (ie., consumables, > repairs, spare parts, upgrades, etc.) which are in turn assigned > to a specific tool. This would enable the generation of detailed > annual cost of operations reports, including total annual cost > per tool, which could in turn be used to adjust equipment access > rates as needed. Hi, We also handle the equivalents of #1 and #2 "in house" as part of the overall LMS but don't have anything integrated in that handles #3. Additionally, there was interest in a "database of all MTL" - this would not just include fab users but everyone else affiliated with MTL whether outside or inside - to be used for various things such as e-mailings to certain sub-groups, etc. We briefly looked at a product called BatchBook but ultimately it didn't really fit with what we were looking for. You'll probably want to define more of the details on exactly what you want to use this data for (e.g. what will all the user data be collected for - emailings, reports, integration with the core LMS for authorization checks based on credentials, etc.) before determining what kind of commercial software may fit. The other thing to consider with regard to #1 is that if the data is meant to be manually entered/updated, how much can you live with incorrect data since things can get out of date fairly fast. For example, if one of the things you'd like to track is campus affiliation - grad student, undergraduate, staff, visitor, etc. - then you're best bet is to sync this from your university's systems and simply keep a cache of it. There is also the issue of time and whether you want to keep all history for each user (e.g. you don't just want to know if a user is a Student, you want to know that they were a graduate student in 2014 and then in 2016 came back to use the lab as a postdoc). This means basically tracking all of the associated user data with date/time stamps on each piece. So, depending on the answers to various questions, the software needs may or may not be straight forward. --tom From michael.hume at ualberta.ca Tue Apr 12 10:49:34 2016 From: michael.hume at ualberta.ca (Michael Hume) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 08:49:34 -0600 Subject: [labnetwork] Recommendations for commercially available ERP-type SW packages In-Reply-To: <5F32C03A-701D-4482-8B79-03C2D48B93AD@connect.uwaterloo.ca> References: <5F32C03A-701D-4482-8B79-03C2D48B93AD@connect.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: Hello Vito, At the University of Alberta nanoFAB we have also developed an in-house solution for tracking and managing our lab activities. The primary use for the system is to manage user access and equipment schedules; however, there are a number of auxiliary features that we've built in over the years. For a commercial solution, we had previously investigated iLab Solutions . If you would like more information, I'd be happy to provide more details. Regards, On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 2:44 PM, Vito Logiudice wrote: > Dear Colleagues, > > I?m reaching out in the hopes that some of you might be able to recommend > a reasonably priced and commercially available simplified ERP-type software > package that you are perhaps using for your own fab operations. We?re > looking for something that will be quick and easy to implement and which > will allow us to track (via built-in databases which can be queried for > report generation) three categories of information: > > 1. Database for storing names, credentials and affiliations of current > and past lab members > 2. Database for tracking of lab user invoices and balances owed per PI > (accounts receivable) > 3. Database for detailed tracking of operations costs which are > assigned to a specific category of expense (ie., consumables, repairs, > spare parts, upgrades, etc.) which are in turn assigned to a specific tool. > This would enable the generation of detailed annual cost of operations > reports, including total annual cost per tool, which could in turn be used > to adjust equipment access rates as needed. > > We had initially hoped that our internal IT group could develop a simple > platform in house but it appears now that competing interests will keep > this from happening. > > Thank you very much for any insights or recommendations. > > Best regards, > Vito > -- > Vito Logiudice P.Eng. > Director of Operations, Quantum NanoFab > University of Waterloo > Lazaridis QNC 1207 > 200 University Avenue West > Waterloo, ON Canada N2L 3G1 > Tel.: (519) 888-4567 ext. 38703 > Email: vito.logiudice at uwaterloo.ca > Website: https://fab.qnc.uwaterloo.ca > > > _______________________________________________ > labnetwork mailing list > labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu > https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork > > -- Michael Hume IT & System Specialist University of Alberta - nanoFAB W1-060 ECERF Building 9107 - 116 Street Edmonton, Alberta Canada T6G 2V4 www.nanofab.ualberta.ca Ph: 587-879-1519 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thank you Christophe Christophe Cl?ment Technicien laboratoire Laboratoire de microfabrication (LMF) Groupe des Couches Minces (GCM) www.gcmlab.ca Ecole Polytechnique de Montr?al www.polymtl.ca D?partement de g?nie physique * 2900 Boulevard Edouard Monpetit Pavillon JAB Campus de l'Universit? de Montr?al Montr?al (Qu?bec) H3T 1J4 * christophe.clement at polymtl.ca * 514 340 4711 Fax : 514 340 4711 # 2417 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rmorrison at draper.com Tue Apr 12 12:38:35 2016 From: rmorrison at draper.com (Morrison, Richard H., Jr.) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 16:38:35 +0000 Subject: [labnetwork] Recommendations for commercially available ERP-type SW packages In-Reply-To: <5F32C03A-701D-4482-8B79-03C2D48B93AD@connect.uwaterloo.ca> References: <5F32C03A-701D-4482-8B79-03C2D48B93AD@connect.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: Hi, Here at Draper we use the following: We use a program called MAPCON to track equipment downtime and PM schedules. For operations we are going to implement i-Lab Solutions. Rick Draper Principal Member of the Technical Staff 555 Technology Square Cambridge Ma, 02139-3563 www.draper.com rmorrison at draper.com W 617-258-3420 C 508-930-3461 From: labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] On Behalf Of Vito Logiudice Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 4:44 PM To: labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu Subject: [labnetwork] Recommendations for commercially available ERP-type SW packages Dear Colleagues, I?m reaching out in the hopes that some of you might be able to recommend a reasonably priced and commercially available simplified ERP-type software package that you are perhaps using for your own fab operations. We?re looking for something that will be quick and easy to implement and which will allow us to track (via built-in databases which can be queried for report generation) three categories of information: 1. Database for storing names, credentials and affiliations of current and past lab members 2. Database for tracking of lab user invoices and balances owed per PI (accounts receivable) 3. Database for detailed tracking of operations costs which are assigned to a specific category of expense (ie., consumables, repairs, spare parts, upgrades, etc.) which are in turn assigned to a specific tool. This would enable the generation of detailed annual cost of operations reports, including total annual cost per tool, which could in turn be used to adjust equipment access rates as needed. We had initially hoped that our internal IT group could develop a simple platform in house but it appears now that competing interests will keep this from happening. Thank you very much for any insights or recommendations. Best regards, Vito -- Vito Logiudice P.Eng. Director of Operations, Quantum NanoFab University of Waterloo Lazaridis QNC 1207 200 University Avenue West Waterloo, ON Canada N2L 3G1 Tel.: (519) 888-4567 ext. 38703 Email: vito.logiudice at uwaterloo.ca Website: https://fab.qnc.uwaterloo.ca ________________________________ Notice: This email and any attachments may contain proprietary (Draper non-public) and/or export-controlled information of Draper. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, please immediately notify the sender by replying to this email and immediately destroy all copies of this email. ________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hathaway at cns.fas.harvard.edu Fri Apr 15 14:21:46 2016 From: hathaway at cns.fas.harvard.edu (Mac Hathaway) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2016 14:21:46 -0400 Subject: [labnetwork] Recommendations for commercially available ERP-type SW packages In-Reply-To: References: <5F32C03A-701D-4482-8B79-03C2D48B93AD@connect.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: <5711313A.4000905@cns.fas.harvard.edu> Hey All, So, we currently have an in-house system for tracking a variety of things, including tool use, various user statistics, system status, and billing, as well as managing equipment access and generating reports on all of the above. Since our trusty IT guy departed, we have been looking at iLab and Mendix. Both are fairly comprehensive, and to varying degrees, configurable. Mendix was looking pretty good, as they would allow us to quickly modify the interface as needed, and they have a very flexible platform. Their pricing structure is rather expensive, unfortunately. iLab will need to put our future mods in a revision queue, rendering them rather less flexible, but their product is less expensive. Mac Mac Hathaway Senior Process and Systems Engineer Harvard Center for Nanoscale Systems 11 Oxford St. Cambridge, MA02138 617-495-9012 On 4/12/2016 12:38 PM, Morrison, Richard H., Jr. wrote: > > Hi, > > Here at Draper we use the following: > > We use a program called MAPCON to track equipment downtime and PM > schedules. > > For operations we are going to implement i-Lab Solutions. > > Rick > > Draper > > Principal Member of the Technical Staff > > 555 Technology Square > > Cambridge Ma, 02139-3563 > > www.draper.com > > rmorrison at draper.com > > W 617-258-3420 > > C 508-930-3461 > > *From:*labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu > [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] *On Behalf Of *Vito Logiudice > *Sent:* Monday, April 11, 2016 4:44 PM > *To:* labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu > *Subject:* [labnetwork] Recommendations for commercially available > ERP-type SW packages > > Dear Colleagues, > > I'm reaching out in the hopes that some of you might be able to > recommend a reasonably priced and commercially available simplified > ERP-type software package that you are perhaps using for your own fab > operations. We're looking for something that will be quick and easy to > implement and which will allow us to track (via built-in databases > which can be queried for report generation) three categories of > information: > > 1. Database for storing names, credentials and affiliations of > current and past lab members > 2. Database for tracking of lab user invoices and balances owed per > PI (accounts receivable) > 3. Database for detailed tracking of operations costs which are > assigned to a specific category of expense (ie., consumables, > repairs, spare parts, upgrades, etc.) which are in turn assigned > to a specific tool. This would enable the generation of detailed > annual cost of operations reports, including total annual cost per > tool, which could in turn be used to adjust equipment access rates > as needed. > > We had initially hoped that our internal IT group could develop a > simple platform in house but it appears now that competing interests > will keep this from happening. > > Thank you very much for any insights or recommendations. > > Best regards, > > Vito > > -- > > Vito Logiudice P.Eng. > > Director of Operations, Quantum NanoFab > > University of Waterloo > > Lazaridis QNC 1207 > > 200 University Avenue West > > Waterloo, ON Canada N2L 3G1 > > Tel.: (519) 888-4567 ext. 38703 > > Email: vito.logiudice at uwaterloo.ca > > Website: https://fab.qnc.uwaterloo.ca > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Notice: This email and any attachments may contain proprietary (Draper > non-public) and/or export-controlled information of Draper. If you are > not the intended recipient of this email, please immediately notify > the sender by replying to this email and immediately destroy all > copies of this email. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > _______________________________________________ > labnetwork mailing list > labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu > https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kurt.kupcho at wisc.edu Fri Apr 15 16:45:06 2016 From: kurt.kupcho at wisc.edu (Kurt Kupcho) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2016 20:45:06 +0000 Subject: [labnetwork] Recommendations for commercially available ERP-type SW packages In-Reply-To: <5711313A.4000905@cns.fas.harvard.edu> References: <5F32C03A-701D-4482-8B79-03C2D48B93AD@connect.uwaterloo.ca> <5711313A.4000905@cns.fas.harvard.edu> Message-ID: Facility Online Manager (FOM) is another option. Kurt From: labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] On Behalf Of Mac Hathaway Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 1:22 PM To: labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu Subject: Re: [labnetwork] Recommendations for commercially available ERP-type SW packages Hey All, So, we currently have an in-house system for tracking a variety of things, including tool use, various user statistics, system status, and billing, as well as managing equipment access and generating reports on all of the above. Since our trusty IT guy departed, we have been looking at iLab and Mendix. Both are fairly comprehensive, and to varying degrees, configurable. Mendix was looking pretty good, as they would allow us to quickly modify the interface as needed, and they have a very flexible platform. Their pricing structure is rather expensive, unfortunately. iLab will need to put our future mods in a revision queue, rendering them rather less flexible, but their product is less expensive. Mac Mac Hathaway Senior Process and Systems Engineer Harvard Center for Nanoscale Systems 11 Oxford St. Cambridge, MA 02138 617-495-9012 On 4/12/2016 12:38 PM, Morrison, Richard H., Jr. wrote: Hi, Here at Draper we use the following: We use a program called MAPCON to track equipment downtime and PM schedules. For operations we are going to implement i-Lab Solutions. Rick Draper Principal Member of the Technical Staff 555 Technology Square Cambridge Ma, 02139-3563 www.draper.com rmorrison at draper.com W 617-258-3420 C 508-930-3461 From: labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] On Behalf Of Vito Logiudice Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 4:44 PM To: labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu Subject: [labnetwork] Recommendations for commercially available ERP-type SW packages Dear Colleagues, I'm reaching out in the hopes that some of you might be able to recommend a reasonably priced and commercially available simplified ERP-type software package that you are perhaps using for your own fab operations. We're looking for something that will be quick and easy to implement and which will allow us to track (via built-in databases which can be queried for report generation) three categories of information: 1. Database for storing names, credentials and affiliations of current and past lab members 2. Database for tracking of lab user invoices and balances owed per PI (accounts receivable) 3. Database for detailed tracking of operations costs which are assigned to a specific category of expense (ie., consumables, repairs, spare parts, upgrades, etc.) which are in turn assigned to a specific tool. This would enable the generation of detailed annual cost of operations reports, including total annual cost per tool, which could in turn be used to adjust equipment access rates as needed. We had initially hoped that our internal IT group could develop a simple platform in house but it appears now that competing interests will keep this from happening. Thank you very much for any insights or recommendations. Best regards, Vito -- Vito Logiudice P.Eng. Director of Operations, Quantum NanoFab University of Waterloo Lazaridis QNC 1207 200 University Avenue West Waterloo, ON Canada N2L 3G1 Tel.: (519) 888-4567 ext. 38703 Email: vito.logiudice at uwaterloo.ca Website: The MTL Mail Server has detected a possible fraud attempt from "urldefense.proofpoint.com" claiming to be https://fab.qnc.uwaterloo.ca ________________________________ Notice: This email and any attachments may contain proprietary (Draper non-public) and/or export-controlled information of Draper. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, please immediately notify the sender by replying to this email and immediately destroy all copies of this email. ________________________________ _______________________________________________ labnetwork mailing list labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Kurt From: labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] On Behalf Of Mac Hathaway Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 1:22 PM To: labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu Subject: Re: [labnetwork] Recommendations for commercially available ERP-type SW packages Hey All, So, we currently have an in-house system for tracking a variety of things, including tool use, various user statistics, system status, and billing, as well as managing equipment access and generating reports on all of the above. Since our trusty IT guy departed, we have been looking at iLab and Mendix. Both are fairly comprehensive, and to varying degrees, configurable. Mendix was looking pretty good, as they would allow us to quickly modify the interface as needed, and they have a very flexible platform. Their pricing structure is rather expensive, unfortunately. iLab will need to put our future mods in a revision queue, rendering them rather less flexible, but their product is less expensive. Mac Mac Hathaway Senior Process and Systems Engineer Harvard Center for Nanoscale Systems 11 Oxford St. Cambridge, MA 02138 617-495-9012 On 4/12/2016 12:38 PM, Morrison, Richard H., Jr. wrote: Hi, Here at Draper we use the following: We use a program called MAPCON to track equipment downtime and PM schedules. For operations we are going to implement i-Lab Solutions. Rick Draper Principal Member of the Technical Staff 555 Technology Square Cambridge Ma, 02139-3563 www.draper.com rmorrison at draper.com W 617-258-3420 C 508-930-3461 From: labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] On Behalf Of Vito Logiudice Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 4:44 PM To: labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu Subject: [labnetwork] Recommendations for commercially available ERP-type SW packages Dear Colleagues, I?m reaching out in the hopes that some of you might be able to recommend a reasonably priced and commercially available simplified ERP-type software package that you are perhaps using for your own fab operations. We?re looking for something that will be quick and easy to implement and which will allow us to track (via built-in databases which can be queried for report generation) three categories of information: Database for storing names, credentials and affiliations of current and past lab members Database for tracking of lab user invoices and balances owed per PI (accounts receivable) Database for detailed tracking of operations costs which are assigned to a specific category of expense (ie., consumables, repairs, spare parts, upgrades, etc.) which are in turn assigned to a specific tool. This would enable the generation of detailed annual cost of operations reports, including total annual cost per tool, which could in turn be used to adjust equipment access rates as needed. We had initially hoped that our internal IT group could develop a simple platform in house but it appears now that competing interests will keep this from happening. Thank you very much for any insights or recommendations. Best regards, Vito -- Vito Logiudice P.Eng. Director of Operations, Quantum NanoFab University of Waterloo Lazaridis QNC 1207 200 University Avenue West Waterloo, ON Canada N2L 3G1 Tel.: (519) 888-4567 ext. 38703 Email: vito.logiudice at uwaterloo.ca Website: The MTL Mail Server has detected a possible fraud attempt from "urldefense.proofpoint.com" claiming to be https://fab.qnc.uwaterloo.ca Notice: This email and any attachments may contain proprietary (Draper non-public) and/or export-controlled information of Draper. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, please immediately notify the sender by replying to this email and immediately destroy all copies of this email. _______________________________________________ labnetwork mailing list labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dm.zheng at unsw.edu.au Sat Apr 16 10:55:23 2016 From: dm.zheng at unsw.edu.au (Dong Zheng) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 14:55:23 +0000 Subject: [labnetwork] Recommendations for commercially available ERP-type SW packages In-Reply-To: <99869.10258.bm@smtp206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <99869.10258.bm@smtp206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: We provide ACLS solution in Australia if you wish to take a look. ACLS is widely run by your peer at ANFF facilities. An enterprise solution at UNSW will be delivered in about 12 month timeframe. Here is the link to system site at http://www.analytical.unsw.edu.au/for-users/ac-lab-system [http://www.analytical.unsw.edu.au/sites/default/files/styles/feature/public/page_image/ac-lab.jpg] AC Lab System | UNSW Mark Wainwright Analytical Centre www.analytical.unsw.edu.au In today?s world, online connection is the key to get lab facilities and users connected and integrated. Through years of effort, we developed a facility online ... ________________________________ From: labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu on behalf of sadanand_d at yahoo.com Sent: Saturday, 16 April 2016 10:47 AM To: Kurt Kupcho; Mac Hathaway; labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu Subject: Re: [labnetwork] Recommendations for commercially available ERP-type SW packages We installed FOM...it is a breeze to setup. Does all that a university clean room needs. Sent from my HTC ----- Reply message ----- From: "Kurt Kupcho" To: "Mac Hathaway" , "labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu" Subject: [labnetwork] Recommendations for commercially available ERP-type SW packages Date: Fri, Apr 15, 2016 4:45 PM Facility Online Manager (FOM) is another option. Kurt From: labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] On Behalf Of Mac Hathaway Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 1:22 PM To: labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu Subject: Re: [labnetwork] Recommendations for commercially available ERP-type SW packages Hey All, So, we currently have an in-house system for tracking a variety of things, including tool use, various user statistics, system status, and billing, as well as managing equipment access and generating reports on all of the above. Since our trusty IT guy departed, we have been looking at iLab and Mendix. Both are fairly comprehensive, and to varying degrees, configurable. Mendix was looking pretty good, as they would allow us to quickly modify the interface as needed, and they have a very flexible platform. Their pricing structure is rather expensive, unfortunately. iLab will need to put our future mods in a revision queue, rendering them rather less flexible, but their product is less expensive. Mac Mac Hathaway Senior Process and Systems Engineer Harvard Center for Nanoscale Systems 11 Oxford St. Cambridge, MA 02138 617-495-9012 On 4/12/2016 12:38 PM, Morrison, Richard H., Jr. wrote: Hi, Here at Draper we use the following: We use a program called MAPCON to track equipment downtime and PM schedules. For operations we are going to implement i-Lab Solutions. Rick Draper Principal Member of the Technical Staff 555 Technology Square Cambridge Ma, 02139-3563 www.draper.com [http://draperlabsdev.prod.acquia-sites.com/sites/default/files/EYP1.jpg] Draper - Engineering Possibilities www.draper.com Draper expands rapid prototyping work in St. Petersburg. CAMBRIDGE, MA ? To speed up the time it takes to develop and roll out technologies for special operations ... rmorrison at draper.com W 617-258-3420 C 508-930-3461 From: labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] On Behalf Of Vito Logiudice Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 4:44 PM To: labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu Subject: [labnetwork] Recommendations for commercially available ERP-type SW packages Dear Colleagues, I?m reaching out in the hopes that some of you might be able to recommend a reasonably priced and commercially available simplified ERP-type software package that you are perhaps using for your own fab operations. We?re looking for something that will be quick and easy to implement and which will allow us to track (via built-in databases which can be queried for report generation) three categories of information: 1. Database for storing names, credentials and affiliations of current and past lab members 2. Database for tracking of lab user invoices and balances owed per PI (accounts receivable) 3. Database for detailed tracking of operations costs which are assigned to a specific category of expense (ie., consumables, repairs, spare parts, upgrades, etc.) which are in turn assigned to a specific tool. This would enable the generation of detailed annual cost of operations reports, including total annual cost per tool, which could in turn be used to adjust equipment access rates as needed. We had initially hoped that our internal IT group could develop a simple platform in house but it appears now that competing interests will keep this from happening. Thank you very much for any insights or recommendations. Best regards, Vito -- Vito Logiudice P.Eng. Director of Operations, Quantum NanoFab University of Waterloo Lazaridis QNC 1207 200 University Avenue West Waterloo, ON Canada N2L 3G1 Tel.: (519) 888-4567 ext. 38703 Email: vito.logiudice at uwaterloo.ca Website: The MTL Mail Server has detected a possible fraud attempt from "urldefense.proofpoint.com" claiming to be https://fab.qnc.uwaterloo.ca ________________________________ Notice: This email and any attachments may contain proprietary (Draper non-public) and/or export-controlled information of Draper. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, please immediately notify the sender by replying to this email and immediately destroy all copies of this email. ________________________________ _______________________________________________ labnetwork mailing list labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From julia.aebersold at louisville.edu Mon Apr 18 11:01:04 2016 From: julia.aebersold at louisville.edu (julia.aebersold at louisville.edu) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 15:01:04 +0000 Subject: [labnetwork] Recommendations for commercially available ERP-type SW packages In-Reply-To: <99869.10258.bm@smtp206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <99869.10258.bm@smtp206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: We are also using FOM along with several other labs on campus. It?s cheap and easy to install. The interface is a bit clugey, but effective. Cheers! Julia Aebersold, Ph.D. Cleanroom Manager Micro/Nano Technology Center University of Louisville Shumaker Research Building, Room 233 2210 South Brook Street Louisville, KY 40292 502-852-1572 http://louisville.edu/micronano/ From: labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] On Behalf Of sadanand_d at yahoo.com Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 8:47 PM To: Kurt Kupcho ; Mac Hathaway ; labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu Subject: Re: [labnetwork] Recommendations for commercially available ERP-type SW packages We installed FOM...it is a breeze to setup. Does all that a university clean room needs. Sent from my HTC ----- Reply message ----- From: "Kurt Kupcho" > To: "Mac Hathaway" >, "labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu" > Subject: [labnetwork] Recommendations for commercially available ERP-type SW packages Date: Fri, Apr 15, 2016 4:45 PM Facility Online Manager (FOM) is another option. Kurt From: labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] On Behalf Of Mac Hathaway Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 1:22 PM To: labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu Subject: Re: [labnetwork] Recommendations for commercially available ERP-type SW packages Hey All, So, we currently have an in-house system for tracking a variety of things, including tool use, various user statistics, system status, and billing, as well as managing equipment access and generating reports on all of the above. Since our trusty IT guy departed, we have been looking at iLab and Mendix. Both are fairly comprehensive, and to varying degrees, configurable. Mendix was looking pretty good, as they would allow us to quickly modify the interface as needed, and they have a very flexible platform. Their pricing structure is rather expensive, unfortunately. iLab will need to put our future mods in a revision queue, rendering them rather less flexible, but their product is less expensive. Mac Mac Hathaway Senior Process and Systems Engineer Harvard Center for Nanoscale Systems 11 Oxford St. Cambridge, MA 02138 617-495-9012 On 4/12/2016 12:38 PM, Morrison, Richard H., Jr. wrote: Hi, Here at Draper we use the following: We use a program called MAPCON to track equipment downtime and PM schedules. For operations we are going to implement i-Lab Solutions. Rick Draper Principal Member of the Technical Staff 555 Technology Square Cambridge Ma, 02139-3563 www.draper.com rmorrison at draper.com W 617-258-3420 C 508-930-3461 From: labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] On Behalf Of Vito Logiudice Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 4:44 PM To: labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu Subject: [labnetwork] Recommendations for commercially available ERP-type SW packages Dear Colleagues, I?m reaching out in the hopes that some of you might be able to recommend a reasonably priced and commercially available simplified ERP-type software package that you are perhaps using for your own fab operations. We?re looking for something that will be quick and easy to implement and which will allow us to track (via built-in databases which can be queried for report generation) three categories of information: 1. Database for storing names, credentials and affiliations of current and past lab members 2. Database for tracking of lab user invoices and balances owed per PI (accounts receivable) 3. Database for detailed tracking of operations costs which are assigned to a specific category of expense (ie., consumables, repairs, spare parts, upgrades, etc.) which are in turn assigned to a specific tool. This would enable the generation of detailed annual cost of operations reports, including total annual cost per tool, which could in turn be used to adjust equipment access rates as needed. We had initially hoped that our internal IT group could develop a simple platform in house but it appears now that competing interests will keep this from happening. Thank you very much for any insights or recommendations. Best regards, Vito -- Vito Logiudice P.Eng. Director of Operations, Quantum NanoFab University of Waterloo Lazaridis QNC 1207 200 University Avenue West Waterloo, ON Canada N2L 3G1 Tel.: (519) 888-4567 ext. 38703 Email: vito.logiudice at uwaterloo.ca Website: The MTL Mail Server has detected a possible fraud attempt from "urldefense.proofpoint.com" claiming to be https://fab.qnc.uwaterloo.ca ________________________________ Notice: This email and any attachments may contain proprietary (Draper non-public) and/or export-controlled information of Draper. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, please immediately notify the sender by replying to this email and immediately destroy all copies of this email. ________________________________ _______________________________________________ labnetwork mailing list labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We are considering Labconco, but have heard of some reliability issues and would like to get some other opinions. > > Thanks, > Marc > > Marc R. Brunelle > Microelectronics Laboratory Deputy Manager > MIT Lincoln Laboratory > 244 Wood Street > Lexington, MA 02420 > Office: 781-981-5573 > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmoneck at andrew.cmu.edu Sat Apr 23 13:32:28 2016 From: mmoneck at andrew.cmu.edu (Matt Moneck) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2016 13:32:28 -0400 Subject: [labnetwork] RIE of As2S3 and GaAs Message-ID: <0a5201d19d86$1c5cfe50$5516faf0$@andrew.cmu.edu> Hi All, We have recently had requests to etch GaAs in our Cl-based RIE systems and As2S3 in our F- and Cl-based RIE systems. We have done minimal work with GaAs in the past, but we have no experience with As2S3. As you can imagine, I am mainly concerned about safety measures in working with these materials. However, I would also like to know about potential contamination of other processes (contamination of Al, AlN, and Cr etch processes in Cl system and SiO2 and SiN etch processes in F system). Our Cl-based RIE is load-locked and the exhaust runs through a scrubber that utilizes a combination thermal oxidation chamber and wet scrubbing process. Despite the fact that GaAs and As2S3 form volatile byproducts, I worry about As containing residue in the chamber and the exhaust lines. I would appreciate any comments you have on how to address some of these concerns and how to handle chamber cleans when As residue may be present. Our F-based RIE systems are not connected to any abatement systems (just lab exhaust), so I have serious reservations about etching any As containing materials in these systems. Thanks in advance for any helpful comments you might be able to offer. Best Regards, Matt -- Matthew T. Moneck, Ph.D. Executive Manager, Carnegie Mellon Nanofabrication Facility Electrical and Computer Engineering | Carnegie Mellon University 5000 Forbes Ave., Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3890 T: 412.268.5430 F: 412.268.3497 www.ece.cmu.edu nanofab.ece.cmu.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From IRHarvey at eng.utah.edu Mon Apr 25 14:54:33 2016 From: IRHarvey at eng.utah.edu (Ian Harvey) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 12:54:33 -0600 Subject: [labnetwork] UGIM '16 SLC: Early Registration closes this week; costs go up... References: Message-ID: <34255AB2-1143-4590-817A-ACEB86ABD3AB@eng.utah.edu> Dear UGIM afficionados! Please register soon to avoid the late registration fees. This is the final week for early registration and your hosts are anxious to finalize the attendance for planning our field trip to an advanced 12" wafer fab, our evening canyon train excursion, and our closing banquet at a mountain ski resort. Early registration ends on May 1st. General registration will be $250 per person beginning May 2nd. Hotel costs also go up after this week as we release any of the remaining rooms in the reserved block at the convenient University Guest House. Visit our webpage for the draft day-by-day program: ugim.nanofab.utah.edu/program Added to the program: Fab Equipment swap meet: while most of our facilities are prohibited from directly selling tools for cash into the used equipment market, trading is an option. Also, most institutions have an exception allowing them to sell tools for cash, to another academic institution. We will have a room set up to view used items for sale or trade by other cleanroom facilities during the sunday evening reception. I will be separately sending out a list of items available for viewing when you visit the Utah Nanofab. If you have tools for sale or trade, please assemble the following information UGIM and we will create a form on our UGIM web page to manage the list: - Tool description and function - Special configuration if any - photograph of current condition - make - model - vintage - asset tag # - current location of tool - describe current condition (parts, storage/cannibalized, storage from working condition, currently operational, reason for disposal) - asking price or best offer - Contact info for seller UGIM Technical Highlights: ? Peer presentations on tool selection, growing and adapting to your user base, fab efficiency and improvement, managing difficult (toxic, cross-contaminating) materials ? Sessions and panels on operational and facilities safety ? Expert panel and discussion sessions on laboratory finance and facility upgrade planning/architecture ? Extended workshops on managing the infrastructure including HPM sourcing, sensing and abatement ? Sunday "bootie camp" to cover operational basics, operational safety and entry level open-source community-developed lab management software Networking Opportunities: ? a great line-up of vendors and exhibitors, and a place to interact and become informed ? Sunday introductory session for new labs and new attendees ? Working topical and role-based lunches ? Evening mixers on Sunday (lab tours & reception), Monday (IMFT tour, dinner, canyon train ride), and Tuesday (closing banquet in the mountains) Lasting Value: ? Presentation PDF's will be available for download ? The program guide will be in a PDF format easy to annotate in real-time and archive for later searching International Guests: Please contact me if you need an official letter of invitation to assist the issuing of a visa. In Need of Travel Justification? We have a session specifically intended to help you: Sunday morning our opening session will introduce first-time attendees, new fab facilities and others. Please contact the session chair if you need an invitation: Bill Flounders Hotel Information: We recommend registering early (before May 1, 2016) to save yourself some money by visiting http://ugim.nanofab.utah.edu/registration/. Hotel reservations at the University Guest House on the University of Utah campus can be made OVER THE PHONE ONLY by calling 1-888-416-4075. This gets you access to $109 rates in the UGIM reserved block of rooms. ugim.nanofab.utah.edu/lodging-2/ Stay and Play: ? Social evening events monday and tuesday are open to registered attendees and their guests: Train ride up a local canyon, and mountain gondola to closing banquet ? There are several groups who are beginning to plan group camping, golfing, and hiking events before and after the conference. For more information contact: Duane Bingaman https://ugim.nanofab.utah.edu/while-you-are-here/ http://ugim.nanofab.utah.edu/files/2016/03/visitors-guide.compressed.pdf We hope to see you soon! ?Ian ******************************************** Ian R. Harvey, Ph.D. Associate Director Utah Nanofab Cleanroom Fabrication and Surface Analysis & nano-scale Imaging 801/585-6162 (voicemail) www.nanofab.utah.edu http://sal.nanofab.utah.edu Chair, UGIM '16 http://ugim.nanofab.utah.edu/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PastedGraphic-2.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 22517 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From keithf at ualberta.ca Thu Apr 28 13:59:24 2016 From: keithf at ualberta.ca (Keith Franklin) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 11:59:24 -0600 Subject: [labnetwork] Piranha processing vessels Message-ID: Good day all, We're currently revisiting what vessels or tanks we use for processing with hot piranha. Our most common application is for cleaning a partially filled cassette of 4" Si wafers. We typically purchase Pyrex 6944 vessel and have our glass shop cut them down to a more reasonable height. In our last purchase cycle, we noticed that the ID has changed ever so slightly and it's now challenging to squeeze our standard Entegris cassette into this vessel. We're currently looking into custom machined PVC, PP, Teflon & Quartzware, as well as off the shelf small volume tanks, etc. I'm hoping to better understand what other similar labs are using for this application (& potentially 6" wafers as well). Any advice or feedback would be greatly appreciated. Kind Regards, Keith Keith Franklin Operations Manager University of Alberta - nanoFAB W1-060 ECERF Building 9107 - 116 Street Edmonton, Alberta Canada T6G 2V4 Ph: 780-492-0170 www.nanofab.ualberta.ca -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spaolini at cns.fas.harvard.edu Thu Apr 28 16:05:12 2016 From: spaolini at cns.fas.harvard.edu (Paolini, Steven) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 20:05:12 +0000 Subject: [labnetwork] Piranha processing vessels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Keith, Do NOT use PVC. If the acid doesn?t eat it, the heat generated from the exothermic reaction will. This would be quite dangerous. If you have to use glass, quartz is the best way to go. If you want to use polymer, I would highly recommend Teflon over polypropylene or polyethylene for its heat and chemical resistance, it is well worth the added cost. Keep in mind that piranha etch will reach temperatures well over 100 Deg. C. when spiked with H2O2 and increases the corrosive properties of the sulfuric. Even though a particular material might be rated to resist high temperatures, it doesn?t mean that it will resist the abuse it will get from this etch. I have cleaned up my share of piranha mishaps and the majority of them had to do with containers or drain traps in the sink that were PVC. Steve Paolini Equipment Dood Harvard University Center for Nanoscale systems. From: labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] On Behalf Of Keith Franklin Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 1:59 PM To: labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu Subject: [labnetwork] Piranha processing vessels Good day all, We're currently revisiting what vessels or tanks we use for processing with hot piranha. Our most common application is for cleaning a partially filled cassette of 4" Si wafers. We typically purchase Pyrex 6944 vessel and have our glass shop cut them down to a more reasonable height. In our last purchase cycle, we noticed that the ID has changed ever so slightly and it's now challenging to squeeze our standard Entegris cassette into this vessel. We're currently looking into custom machined PVC, PP, Teflon & Quartzware, as well as off the shelf small volume tanks, etc. I'm hoping to better understand what other similar labs are using for this application (& potentially 6" wafers as well). Any advice or feedback would be greatly appreciated. Kind Regards, Keith Keith Franklin Operations Manager University of Alberta - nanoFAB W1-060 ECERF Building 9107 - 116 Street Edmonton, Alberta Canada T6G 2V4 Ph: 780-492-0170 www.nanofab.ualberta.ca -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bob at eecs.berkeley.edu Thu Apr 28 16:21:28 2016 From: bob at eecs.berkeley.edu (Robert M. HAMILTON) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 13:21:28 -0700 Subject: [labnetwork] Piranha processing vessels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Keith, I'll stick my neck out! The UC Berkeley NanoLab uses fused silica tanks with encased heaters and ground-fault detection for our piranha baths. I am guessing your suggestion of Pyrex or an alternative borosilicate glass will raise the hackles of some Labnetwork readers. And, I cannot claim experience with the impact of borosilicate glasses, used for piranha cleans, for MOS devices. However, I can point to a patent issued to Alameda Instruments that made H2SO4 reclaim/reprocessing systems for a number of major semiconductor manufacturers. I also have known, since boyhood the research glassblower who made their vacuum stills. The glass used was Pyrex or an alternative Duran, which is Schott's equivalent. This leads me to the conclusion H2SO4 from a pyrex still was good enough for Intel, Pyrex is probably good enough for you. Having said this if there is accidental contamination via HF your Pyrex will contribute alkali and your devices will be DOA. We have seen HF contamination in our baths on a few occasions. For reference see: https://www.google.com/patents/US4980032 Bob Hamilton PS Caveat emptor! Corning now uses the term Pyrex for a broader number of glasses than their traditional 7740. Robert Hamilton University of CA, Berkeley Marvell NanoLab Equipment Manager Rm 520 Sutardja Dai Hall, MC 1754 Berkeley, CA 94720 Phone 510-809-8618 (desk - preferred) Mobile 510-325-7557 (my personal mobile) E-mail preferred: bob at eecs.berkeley.edu http://nanolab.berkeley.edu/ On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 10:59 AM, Keith Franklin wrote: > Good day all, > > We're currently revisiting what vessels or tanks we use for processing > with hot piranha. Our most common application is for cleaning a partially > filled cassette of 4" Si wafers. We typically purchase Pyrex 6944 vessel > and have our glass shop cut them down to a more reasonable height. In our > last purchase cycle, we noticed that the ID has changed ever so slightly > and it's now challenging to squeeze our standard Entegris cassette into > this vessel. We're currently looking into custom machined PVC, PP, Teflon > & Quartzware, as well as off the shelf small volume tanks, etc. > > I'm hoping to better understand what other similar labs are using for this > application (& potentially 6" wafers as well). Any advice or feedback > would be greatly appreciated. > > Kind Regards, > Keith > > > Keith Franklin > > Operations Manager > > University of Alberta - nanoFAB > > W1-060 ECERF Building > > 9107 - 116 Street > > Edmonton, Alberta > > Canada T6G 2V4 Ph: 780-492-0170 > www.nanofab.ualberta.ca > > _______________________________________________ > labnetwork mailing list > labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu > https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mfcchung at ust.hk Thu Apr 28 22:29:49 2016 From: mfcchung at ust.hk (Wing Leong CHUNG) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 02:29:49 +0000 Subject: [labnetwork] Piranha processing vessels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5fd4c18ca9054e11a88b7f8657149d17@mbx7.exchange.ust.hk> Keith, Here below are the information of chemical bath which we are using. Hope it can help you. We have the following Chemical Baths which are purchased from PCT system and Imtec. All product information can be found from PCT system website http://pctsystems.com/products/process-tanks and Imtec website http://www.imtecacculine.com/heated-stainless-steel-tanks. 1. PCT?s Tiger Tank Quartz Constant Temperature Bath, TT4 for Sulfuric Acid Features -High-purity virgin quartz liner, molded or GE124 -Excellent sealing integrity -Available in all standard single- or dual-cassette sizes and custom sizes -Greater reliability, longer life, and superior operational characteristics -Improved safety features -Time-proven in line heater element design -Fire-retardant housing (and FM4910 approved materials) -Improved flange design -Redundant over temperature sensors ? TCs (2) and Snap Switch -Superior insulation 2. Tiger Tank??Nitride Etch (TTN) Features -High reliable quartz tank design -Hydroseal washer standard on all TTN baths for longer RTV seal life -Manual or Auto-lid configurations (side and end configurations) -190?C temperature operation, higher temperatures available on custom baths -Liquid Level Sensors -Dual Panel flow meter for DI water drip and cooling water control -RTD Temperature Sensors -TC and Snap Switch over-temperature device 3. Tiger Tank? Filtered Recirculating Baths (TTF) for Aluminum Etch Features -Single-vessel design with direct chemistry heating -No swamping of the weir area during boat placement -Most rugged and durable unit of its kind -Available in standard sizes -Single- or dual-cassette configuration for up to 300mm 4. Tiger Tank??Stainless Steel for MS2001 Solvent Features -FM4910 or stainless steel housings -316, 324 or 304 EP Stainless steel construction -Heated tanks up to 150?C -fabricated from a single sheet of material providing the smoothest and purest material surface available. Jeff CHUNG, Wing Leong Engineer, NFF HKUST www.nff.ust.hk From: labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] On Behalf Of Paolini, Steven Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 4:05 AM To: Keith Franklin; labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu Subject: Re: [labnetwork] Piranha processing vessels Keith, Do NOT use PVC. If the acid doesn?t eat it, the heat generated from the exothermic reaction will. This would be quite dangerous. If you have to use glass, quartz is the best way to go. If you want to use polymer, I would highly recommend Teflon over polypropylene or polyethylene for its heat and chemical resistance, it is well worth the added cost. Keep in mind that piranha etch will reach temperatures well over 100 Deg. C. when spiked with H2O2 and increases the corrosive properties of the sulfuric. Even though a particular material might be rated to resist high temperatures, it doesn?t mean that it will resist the abuse it will get from this etch. I have cleaned up my share of piranha mishaps and the majority of them had to do with containers or drain traps in the sink that were PVC. Steve Paolini Equipment Dood Harvard University Center for Nanoscale systems. From: labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] On Behalf Of Keith Franklin Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 1:59 PM To: labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu Subject: [labnetwork] Piranha processing vessels Good day all, We're currently revisiting what vessels or tanks we use for processing with hot piranha. Our most common application is for cleaning a partially filled cassette of 4" Si wafers. We typically purchase Pyrex 6944 vessel and have our glass shop cut them down to a more reasonable height. In our last purchase cycle, we noticed that the ID has changed ever so slightly and it's now challenging to squeeze our standard Entegris cassette into this vessel. We're currently looking into custom machined PVC, PP, Teflon & Quartzware, as well as off the shelf small volume tanks, etc. I'm hoping to better understand what other similar labs are using for this application (& potentially 6" wafers as well). Any advice or feedback would be greatly appreciated. Kind Regards, Keith Keith Franklin Operations Manager University of Alberta - nanoFAB W1-060 ECERF Building 9107 - 116 Street Edmonton, Alberta Canada T6G 2V4 Ph: 780-492-0170 The MTL Mail Server has detected a possible fraud attempt from "urldefense.proofpoint.com" claiming to be www.nanofab.ualberta.ca -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mtang at stanford.edu Fri Apr 29 09:29:39 2016 From: mtang at stanford.edu (Mary Tang) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 06:29:39 -0700 Subject: [labnetwork] Piranha processing vessels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <572361C3.6080400@stanford.edu> Thanks Bob! A wonderful example of how "contamination" can be managed by means other than the paranoia -- something we struggle with as we try to serve a broader community while trying to keep our electronics and detector researchers happy. I would hazard a guess that this works in industry because distillation is vacuum rather than heated and that an additional RCA-equivalent clean is used before high temperature processing steps, thus minimizing the risk of driving in mobile ions. That said, at Stanford, we do promote paranoia when it comes to dedicated teflon cassettes in MOS stations because of their propensity to absorb whatever chemical they are exposed to. I've not seen any data that shows cross-contamination due to this, but have seen the results of off-gassing on wafers stored or heated in chemical bath cassettes. The risk of significant carryover of HF into piranha may be very low, but might be worth considering dedicated cassettes when using pyrex. Mary -- Mary X. Tang, Ph.D. Stanford Nanofabrication Facility Paul G. Allen Bldg 141, Mail Code 4070 Stanford, CA 94305 (650)723-9980 mtang at stanford.edu http://snf.stanford.edu On 4/28/2016 1:21 PM, Robert M. HAMILTON wrote: > Keith, > > I'll stick my neck out! > > The UC Berkeley NanoLab uses fused silica tanks with encased heaters > and ground-fault detection for our piranha baths. I am guessing your > suggestion of Pyrex or an alternative borosilicate glass will raise > the hackles of some Labnetwork readers. And, I cannot claim experience > with the impact of borosilicate glasses, used for piranha cleans, for > MOS devices. > > However, I can point to a patent issued to Alameda Instruments that > made H2SO4 reclaim/reprocessing systems for a number of major > semiconductor manufacturers. I also have known, since boyhood the > research glassblower who made their vacuum stills. The glass used was > Pyrex or an alternative Duran, which is Schott's equivalent. This > leads me to the conclusion H2SO4 from a pyrex still was good enough > for Intel, Pyrex is probably good enough for you. > > Having said this if there is accidental contamination via HF your > Pyrex will contribute alkali and your devices will be DOA. We have > seen HF contamination in our baths on a few occasions. > > For reference see: https://www.google.com/patents/US4980032 > > Bob Hamilton > > PS Caveat emptor! Corning now uses the term Pyrex for a broader number > of glasses than their traditional 7740. > > > Robert Hamilton > University of CA, Berkeley > Marvell NanoLab Equipment Manager > Rm 520 Sutardja Dai Hall, MC 1754 > Berkeley, CA 94720 > Phone 510-809-8618 (desk - preferred) > Mobile 510-325-7557 (my personal mobile) > E-mail preferred: bob at eecs.berkeley.edu > http://nanolab.berkeley.edu/ > > > > On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 10:59 AM, Keith Franklin > wrote: > > Good day all, > > We're currently revisiting what vessels or tanks we use for > processing with hot piranha. Our most common application is for > cleaning a partially filled cassette of 4" Si wafers. We > typically purchase Pyrex 6944 vessel and have our glass shop cut > them down to a more reasonable height. In our last purchase > cycle, we noticed that the ID has changed ever so slightly and > it's now challenging to squeeze our standard Entegris cassette > into this vessel. We're currently looking into custom machined > PVC, PP, Teflon & Quartzware, as well as off the shelf small > volume tanks, etc. > > I'm hoping to better understand what other similar labs are using > for this application (& potentially 6" wafers as well). Any > advice or feedback would be greatly appreciated. > > Kind Regards, > Keith > __ > > Keith Franklin > > Operations Manager > > University of Alberta - nanoFAB > > W1-060 ECERF Building > > 9107 - 116 Street > > Edmonton, Alberta > > Canada T6G 2V4 Ph: 780-492-0170 > > www.nanofab.ualberta.ca > > _______________________________________________ > labnetwork mailing list > labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu > https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork > > > > > _______________________________________________ > labnetwork mailing list > labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu > https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From julia.aebersold at louisville.edu Fri Apr 29 10:36:47 2016 From: julia.aebersold at louisville.edu (julia.aebersold at louisville.edu) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 14:36:47 +0000 Subject: [labnetwork] Piranha processing vessels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Quartzware all the way! Cheers! Julia Aebersold, Ph.D. Cleanroom Manager Micro/Nano Technology Center University of Louisville Shumaker Research Building, Room 233 2210 South Brook Street Louisville, KY 40292 502-852-1572 http://louisville.edu/micronano/ From: labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] On Behalf Of Robert M. HAMILTON Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 4:21 PM To: Keith Franklin Cc: Labnetwork Subject: Re: [labnetwork] Piranha processing vessels Keith, I'll stick my neck out! The UC Berkeley NanoLab uses fused silica tanks with encased heaters and ground-fault detection for our piranha baths. I am guessing your suggestion of Pyrex or an alternative borosilicate glass will raise the hackles of some Labnetwork readers. And, I cannot claim experience with the impact of borosilicate glasses, used for piranha cleans, for MOS devices. However, I can point to a patent issued to Alameda Instruments that made H2SO4 reclaim/reprocessing systems for a number of major semiconductor manufacturers. I also have known, since boyhood the research glassblower who made their vacuum stills. The glass used was Pyrex or an alternative Duran, which is Schott's equivalent. This leads me to the conclusion H2SO4 from a pyrex still was good enough for Intel, Pyrex is probably good enough for you. Having said this if there is accidental contamination via HF your Pyrex will contribute alkali and your devices will be DOA. We have seen HF contamination in our baths on a few occasions. For reference see: https://www.google.com/patents/US4980032 Bob Hamilton PS Caveat emptor! Corning now uses the term Pyrex for a broader number of glasses than their traditional 7740. Robert Hamilton University of CA, Berkeley Marvell NanoLab Equipment Manager Rm 520 Sutardja Dai Hall, MC 1754 Berkeley, CA 94720 Phone 510-809-8618 (desk - preferred) Mobile 510-325-7557 (my personal mobile) E-mail preferred: bob at eecs.berkeley.edu http://nanolab.berkeley.edu/ On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 10:59 AM, Keith Franklin > wrote: Good day all, We're currently revisiting what vessels or tanks we use for processing with hot piranha. Our most common application is for cleaning a partially filled cassette of 4" Si wafers. We typically purchase Pyrex 6944 vessel and have our glass shop cut them down to a more reasonable height. In our last purchase cycle, we noticed that the ID has changed ever so slightly and it's now challenging to squeeze our standard Entegris cassette into this vessel. We're currently looking into custom machined PVC, PP, Teflon & Quartzware, as well as off the shelf small volume tanks, etc. I'm hoping to better understand what other similar labs are using for this application (& potentially 6" wafers as well). Any advice or feedback would be greatly appreciated. Kind Regards, Keith Keith Franklin Operations Manager University of Alberta - nanoFAB W1-060 ECERF Building 9107 - 116 Street Edmonton, Alberta Canada T6G 2V4 Ph: 780-492-0170 www.nanofab.ualberta.ca _______________________________________________ labnetwork mailing list labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From keithf at ualberta.ca Fri Apr 29 11:18:35 2016 From: keithf at ualberta.ca (Keith Franklin) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 09:18:35 -0600 Subject: [labnetwork] Piranha processing vessels In-Reply-To: <572361C3.6080400@stanford.edu> References: <572361C3.6080400@stanford.edu> Message-ID: Thank you all for the feedback. Very helpful! Please keep them coming should anyone else be willing to contribute. Best, Keith Keith Franklin Operations Manager University of Alberta - nanoFAB W1-060 ECERF Building 9107 - 116 Street Edmonton, Alberta Canada T6G 2V4 Ph: 780-492-0170 www.nanofab.ualberta.ca On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 7:29 AM, Mary Tang wrote: > Thanks Bob! > > A wonderful example of how "contamination" can be managed by means other > than the paranoia -- something we struggle with as we try to serve a > broader community while trying to keep our electronics and detector > researchers happy. I would hazard a guess that this works in industry > because distillation is vacuum rather than heated and that an additional > RCA-equivalent clean is used before high temperature processing steps, thus > minimizing the risk of driving in mobile ions. > > That said, at Stanford, we do promote paranoia when it comes to dedicated > teflon cassettes in MOS stations because of their propensity to absorb > whatever chemical they are exposed to. I've not seen any data that shows > cross-contamination due to this, but have seen the results of off-gassing > on wafers stored or heated in chemical bath cassettes. The risk of > significant carryover of HF into piranha may be very low, but might be > worth considering dedicated cassettes when using pyrex. > > Mary > > > -- > Mary X. Tang, Ph.D. > Stanford Nanofabrication Facility > Paul G. Allen Bldg 141, Mail Code 4070 > Stanford, CA 94305(650)723-9980mtang at stanford.eduhttp://snf.stanford.edu > > > > On 4/28/2016 1:21 PM, Robert M. HAMILTON wrote: > > Keith, > > I'll stick my neck out! > > The UC Berkeley NanoLab uses fused silica tanks with encased heaters and > ground-fault detection for our piranha baths. I am guessing your suggestion > of Pyrex or an alternative borosilicate glass will raise the hackles of > some Labnetwork readers. And, I cannot claim experience with the impact of > borosilicate glasses, used for piranha cleans, for MOS devices. > > However, I can point to a patent issued to Alameda Instruments that made > H2SO4 reclaim/reprocessing systems for a number of major semiconductor > manufacturers. I also have known, since boyhood the research glassblower > who made their vacuum stills. The glass used was Pyrex or an alternative > Duran, which is Schott's equivalent. This leads me to the conclusion H2SO4 > from a pyrex still was good enough for Intel, Pyrex is probably good enough > for you. > > Having said this if there is accidental contamination via HF your Pyrex > will contribute alkali and your devices will be DOA. We have seen HF > contamination in our baths on a few occasions. > > For reference see: https://www.google.com/patents/US4980032 > > Bob Hamilton > > PS Caveat emptor! Corning now uses the term Pyrex for a broader number of > glasses than their traditional 7740. > > > Robert Hamilton > University of CA, Berkeley > Marvell NanoLab Equipment Manager > Rm 520 Sutardja Dai Hall, MC 1754 > Berkeley, CA 94720 > Phone 510-809-8618 (desk - preferred) > Mobile 510-325-7557 (my personal mobile) > E-mail preferred: bob at eecs.berkeley.edu > http://nanolab.berkeley.edu/ > > > > On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 10:59 AM, Keith Franklin > wrote: > >> Good day all, >> >> We're currently revisiting what vessels or tanks we use for processing >> with hot piranha. Our most common application is for cleaning a partially >> filled cassette of 4" Si wafers. We typically purchase Pyrex 6944 vessel >> and have our glass shop cut them down to a more reasonable height. In our >> last purchase cycle, we noticed that the ID has changed ever so slightly >> and it's now challenging to squeeze our standard Entegris cassette into >> this vessel. We're currently looking into custom machined PVC, PP, Teflon >> & Quartzware, as well as off the shelf small volume tanks, etc. >> >> I'm hoping to better understand what other similar labs are using for >> this application (& potentially 6" wafers as well). Any advice or feedback >> would be greatly appreciated. >> >> Kind Regards, >> Keith >> >> >> Keith Franklin >> >> Operations Manager >> >> University of Alberta - nanoFAB >> >> W1-060 ECERF Building >> >> 9107 - 116 Street >> >> Edmonton, Alberta >> >> Canada T6G 2V4 Ph: 780-492-0170 >> www.nanofab.ualberta.ca >> >> _______________________________________________ >> labnetwork mailing list >> labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu >> https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > labnetwork mailing listlabnetwork at mtl.mit.eduhttps://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From sang-joon.lee at sjsu.edu Fri Apr 29 14:50:38 2016 From: sang-joon.lee at sjsu.edu (John Lee) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 11:50:38 -0700 Subject: [labnetwork] Wyko/Veeco/Bruker NT1100 optical profiler In-Reply-To: <076D71F311D3B04C89525DD354E42540585AD223@XMAIL-MBX-BC1.AD.UCSD.EDU> References: <076D71F311D3B04C89525DD354E42540585AD223@XMAIL-MBX-BC1.AD.UCSD.EDU> Message-ID: We have a similar generation NT1000 that we recently inherited and manged to get minimally up and running. However we too would be interested in legacy support information for Wyko profilers. Bernd, We can follow up with each other by direct email about specifics for the NT1000 and NT1100 in particular. -John ________________________________________ Sang-Joon (John) Lee, Professor Mechanical Engineering, San Jos? State University One Washington Square, San Jos?, CA 95192-0087 408-924-7167 | sang-joon.lee at sjsu.edu http://www.sjsu.edu/people/sang-joon.lee/ All, We have a Wyko/Veeco/Bruker NT1100 optical profiler which Bruker no longer supports. Does anyone know of a third party that can provide parts and/or provide service? Thanks a lot for any help you might be able to provide. Bernd Bernd Fruhberger, PhD Technical Director, Nano3 Cleanroom Facility UCSD Calit2 M/C0436 9500 Gilman Drive La Jolla, CA 92093-0436 Ph (858) 534-4518 Fax (858) 534-9092 bfruhberger at ucsd.edu http://nano3.calit2.net/ _______________________________________________ labnetwork mailing list labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bob.henderson at etchedintimeinc.com Fri Apr 29 14:59:49 2016 From: bob.henderson at etchedintimeinc.com (Bob Henderson) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 11:59:49 -0700 Subject: [labnetwork] Piranha processing vessels In-Reply-To: References: <572361C3.6080400@stanford.edu> Message-ID: <001801d1a249$4eacb9f0$ec062dd0$@henderson@etchedintimeinc.com> Teflon cassette story. We did a phosphoric acid/reflux operation at 180 degrees C for the removal front and backside of siicon nitride for a CMOS process we were doing. There was around 500 angstroms of silicon dioxide under the nitride to begin with at the start of the process. We dedicated new Teflon cassettes for the operation and immediately found out that the outgassing of fluorine from the cassettes etched away all of the silicon dioxide film. It took several hundred wafers before action was taken to eliminate the problem. If I remember right it took 8 hours of soaking in hot phosphoric to deplete the outgassing of the fluorine for the new cassettes. After that only those cassettes were used for the nitride removal operation with little of no etching of the oxide underneath the nitride. Bob Henderson From: labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] On Behalf Of Keith Franklin Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 8:19 AM To: Mary Tang Cc: Labnetwork Subject: Re: [labnetwork] Piranha processing vessels Thank you all for the feedback. Very helpful! Please keep them coming should anyone else be willing to contribute. Best, Keith Keith Franklin Operations Manager University of Alberta - nanoFAB W1-060 ECERF Building 9107 - 116 Street Edmonton, Alberta Canada T6G 2V4 Ph: 780-492-0170 www.nanofab.ualberta.ca On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 7:29 AM, Mary Tang wrote: Thanks Bob! A wonderful example of how "contamination" can be managed by means other than the paranoia -- something we struggle with as we try to serve a broader community while trying to keep our electronics and detector researchers happy. I would hazard a guess that this works in industry because distillation is vacuum rather than heated and that an additional RCA-equivalent clean is used before high temperature processing steps, thus minimizing the risk of driving in mobile ions. That said, at Stanford, we do promote paranoia when it comes to dedicated teflon cassettes in MOS stations because of their propensity to absorb whatever chemical they are exposed to. I've not seen any data that shows cross-contamination due to this, but have seen the results of off-gassing on wafers stored or heated in chemical bath cassettes. The risk of significant carryover of HF into piranha may be very low, but might be worth considering dedicated cassettes when using pyrex. Mary -- Mary X. Tang, Ph.D. Stanford Nanofabrication Facility Paul G. Allen Bldg 141, Mail Code 4070 Stanford, CA 94305 (650)723-9980 mtang at stanford.edu http://snf.stanford.edu On 4/28/2016 1:21 PM, Robert M. HAMILTON wrote: Keith, I'll stick my neck out! The UC Berkeley NanoLab uses fused silica tanks with encased heaters and ground-fault detection for our piranha baths. I am guessing your suggestion of Pyrex or an alternative borosilicate glass will raise the hackles of some Labnetwork readers. And, I cannot claim experience with the impact of borosilicate glasses, used for piranha cleans, for MOS devices. However, I can point to a patent issued to Alameda Instruments that made H2SO4 reclaim/reprocessing systems for a number of major semiconductor manufacturers. I also have known, since boyhood the research glassblower who made their vacuum stills. The glass used was Pyrex or an alternative Duran, which is Schott's equivalent. This leads me to the conclusion H2SO4 from a pyrex still was good enough for Intel, Pyrex is probably good enough for you. Having said this if there is accidental contamination via HF your Pyrex will contribute alkali and your devices will be DOA. We have seen HF contamination in our baths on a few occasions. For reference see: https://www.google.com/patents/US4980032 Bob Hamilton PS Caveat emptor! Corning now uses the term Pyrex for a broader number of glasses than their traditional 7740. Robert Hamilton University of CA, Berkeley Marvell NanoLab Equipment Manager Rm 520 Sutardja Dai Hall, MC 1754 Berkeley, CA 94720 Phone 510-809-8618 (desk - preferred) Mobile 510-325-7557 (my personal mobile) E-mail preferred: bob at eecs.berkeley.edu http://nanolab.berkeley.edu/ On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 10:59 AM, Keith Franklin wrote: Good day all, We're currently revisiting what vessels or tanks we use for processing with hot piranha. Our most common application is for cleaning a partially filled cassette of 4" Si wafers. We typically purchase Pyrex 6944 vessel and have our glass shop cut them down to a more reasonable height. In our last purchase cycle, we noticed that the ID has changed ever so slightly and it's now challenging to squeeze our standard Entegris cassette into this vessel. We're currently looking into custom machined PVC, PP, Teflon & Quartzware, as well as off the shelf small volume tanks, etc. I'm hoping to better understand what other similar labs are using for this application (& potentially 6" wafers as well). Any advice or feedback would be greatly appreciated. Kind Regards, Keith Keith Franklin Operations Manager University of Alberta - nanoFAB W1-060 ECERF Building 9107 - 116 Street Edmonton, Alberta Canada T6G 2V4 Ph: 780-492-0170 www.nanofab.ualberta.ca _______________________________________________ labnetwork mailing list labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork _______________________________________________ labnetwork mailing list labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu https://www-mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From keithf at ualberta.ca Sat Apr 30 17:36:01 2016 From: keithf at ualberta.ca (Keith Franklin) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 15:36:01 -0600 Subject: [labnetwork] SRD inserts Message-ID: Good afternoon all, Our lab currently supports 6" round, 4" round & 4" square substrates & are looking into efficient ways of easy start to finish processing. Has anyone here used SRD rotor inserts? Having learnt many years ago that allowing our users to freely change rotors was (ahem) unwise, we currently have multiple SRD's in each wet processing area, each configured for a different substrate geometry. Based on usage, this is not an efficient use of space, and increases the overall cost of operation (meaning more things to maintain and repair). We are currently entertaining the idea of having one SRD per wet processing area configured with a 6" round rotor, and purchasing "balanced inserts" that would then fit the appropriate cassette. For reasons mentioned above, this is extremely attractive to us. After engaging with the vendor (in this case Sitek), I was surprised to see the cost is quite significant. I would value any input, advice or feedback any of you may be able to provide. 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