[labnetwork] Surplus equipment

Thu Mar 23 11:57:52 EDT 2017

Dear Phil,

This is not how the used equipment business works.

They have a great saying that explains this part of the sales procedure
in Italian.
In the Middle Ages, if you wanted to sell a pig, the sales procedure was
you took it to the market on a leash and you tried to offer it to people
until you found a buyer who satisfied your expectations of value.

In Italy, they say that a wise seller will always "Keep the pig in his
hand" until the negotiation is finished and money is exchanged.

If a buyer is purchasing equipment "as is", then they should expect to
pay for the equipment 100% down, before the equipment is shipped.

Having said that, of course I would very strongly recommend that one
should always carefully inspect in as much detail as possible any item
of equipment before it is purchased. No exceptions.
It is also a very good idea to record as many serial numbers as possible
during the inspection and keep a close watch on subsequent operations
like crating, because it has happened to me that certain unscrupulous
companies (At least one of whom are in the Fortune 500) have removed
parts, lost parts or swapped out parts on equipment which I have
purchased prior to the equipment leaving the customer dock.
Personally, I always thoroughly inventory and keep a close eye on the
equipment until the crates are sealed and the equipment has been picked
up by my forwarder unless I very well know and trust the supplier.

I have been dealing in used semiconductor equipment since 1998, and , I
am sorry to say that my confidence in human nature has only declined
over the years in the light of my experiences.

The whole area of used equipment is most definitely covered by another
Latin saying "Cavit Emptor" i.e. "Buyer beware".

Yours sincerely,

Stephen Howe 
Company Owner
SDI Fabsurplus Group

+1 830 388 1071 (Mobile)
+39 335 710 7756 (Mobile, Italy)

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On Wed, 2017-03-22 at 19:44 +0000, Himmer, Phil wrote:
> HI Esta
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> One item I have not seen mentioned on this thread is problem of
> shipping used goods.
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> Unless the seller is willing to take shipping responsibility, FOB
> destination, I would suggest that you should not purchase from them.
> This should not be an issue with reliable vendors. This way the seller
> is responsible If the tool doesn’t work as promised.
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> Good luck
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> Phil 
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> Dr. Phillip Himmer
> Facility Manager- Montana Microfacrication Facility
> Montana State University
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> From: Tom Britton
> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 1:25 PM
> To: Abelev, Esta; labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu
> Subject: Re: [labnetwork] Surplus equipment
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> Hi Esta,
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> What Julia writes is very true. When it comes to “used” equipment, you
> can get everything from a stripped tool with missing parts and
> obsolete software, no passwords to service the equipment and minimal
> to no support, to fully-reconditioned equipment with an excellent
> support network, access to spare parts, field service, warrantees,
> etc. The old adage that says “if it sounds too good to be true, it
> probably is” really applies here and it pays to do your homework.
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> That being said, there are a number of companies who actively support
> the UGIM network, providing either used, rebuilt or reconditioned
> tools, and are excellent suppliers, going out of their way to make
> sure that the University cleanrooms are provided with first rate
> equipment, service and cost savings. When selecting a supplier it is
> best to make sure they first, have a good reputation; second, have a
> support team with the technical ability to answer your questions and
> fix the tools provided; third, have the spare parts to cover the
> equipment “after” the sale; and fourth, have a warranty that
> adequately covers the equipment after you buy it. It they don’t have
> this, understand that your team will need to either hire the support
> functions or do it themselves. It wasn’t long ago when Universities
> relied on “donated” equipment and had to make it work, and that can
> still be a good way to save money if you are set up to support the
> equipment internally in an “as-is” state.
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> Shameless plug: Our company, Critical Systems, has been providing
> Universities with professionally reconditioned gas delivery and
> abatement equipment for over 15 years, and provides the cost savings
> desired by those on a budget, on equipment that includes full
> engineering support, on-site startup and training, off the shelf
> spares, free technical phone support and warrantees that compare to
> new equipment.
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> I hope this helps.
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> All the best, 
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> Tom
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> Tom Britton
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> Director of Sales
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> Critical Systems, Inc.
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> Direct: 208-890-1417
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> Office: 877-572-5515
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> www.CriticalSystemsInc.com
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> From: labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu
> [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] On Behalf Of
> julia.aebersold at louisville.edu
> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 4:15 PM
> To: Abelev, Esta <eabelev at pitt.edu>; labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu
> Subject: Re: [labnetwork] Surplus equipment
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> Be very careful with surplused equipment.  Many of us have stories of
> companies that are predators and you should run away from.  Rather
> than a full name shame please e-mail me directly for whom I am
> referring if interested.
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> Cheers!
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> Julia Aebersold
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> Manager, Micro/Nano Technology Center
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> University of Louisville
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> 2210 South Brook Street
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> Louisville, KY  40292
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> (502)852-1572
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> http://louisville.edu/micronano/
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> From: labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu
> [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] On Behalf Of Abelev, Esta
> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 3:49 PM
> To: labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu
> Subject: [labnetwork] Surplus equipment
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> Dear All,
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> Our facility is looking to acquire following pieces of equipment:
> thermal evaporator, sputtering tool, spin coaters, hot plates,
> oxidation oven and RTA. If somebody can recommend a reliable refurb
> company or may have such an equipment and looking to sell it, please
> let me know. 
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> Thank you, Esta
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> Esta Abelev, PhD
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> Technical Director, Petersen Institute of NanoScience and Engineering 
> 
> University of Pittsburgh | 3700 O’Hara Street | 636| Pittsburgh, PA
> 15261
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> 412-383-4096 | eabelev at pitt.edu | nano.pitt.edu
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