From James.Grant at glasgow.ac.uk  Thu Dec  1 07:43:02 2022
From: James.Grant at glasgow.ac.uk (James Grant)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2022 12:43:02 +0000
Subject: [labnetwork] Low Temperature (30oC) ICPCVD of SiNx
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Hello,

Had a request from a user (Fengyuan Liu, cc'ed) asking me if I knew of anyone who can deposit SiNx @ 30oC using ICPCVD. Our own OIPT 380 ICPCVD tool is down just now with a SiH4 MFC fault that will probably not be repaired until after Christmas.

Can anyone help? UK based preferred however I've looked at the usual UK suspects and cant find anyone with ICPCVD capability.

Cheers,

James

Dr. James Paul Grant
Research Engineer in Plasma Processing

Plasma Etch Group
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From deonc69 at illinois.edu  Thu Dec  1 15:12:12 2022
From: deonc69 at illinois.edu (Collins, Deon)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2022 20:12:12 +0000
Subject: [labnetwork] BCL3 question
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I can tell you we personally had a BCL3 cylinder that was much, much, older than what is listed on their standards. It performed excellent till the day it was changed out three years ago. That cylinder is still being used on one of our cleanroom process tools with great results. Purity has an affect as well.



From: labnetwork <labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu> On Behalf Of Tom Britton
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 10:56 AM
To: Morrison, Richard H., Jr <rmorrison at draper.com>; labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu
Subject: Re: [labnetwork] BCL3 question

Hi Richard,

I got this a while back from I believe Air Liquide, but I'm not 100% positive of the source. Hopefully it helps.

Happy Holidays,

Tom

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From: labnetwork <labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu<mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu>> On Behalf Of Morrison, Richard H., Jr
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 7:53 AM
To: labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu<mailto:labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu>
Subject: [labnetwork] BCL3 question

HI everyone,

Does anybody have an estimate on how long BCl3 last in a cylinder. I have a cylinder of BCL3 install in 2013 and recently the etch rate has dropped, does BCl3 go bad? The gas cabinet scale is not in alarm.

Rick


Richard Morrison
PMTS
Draper Laboratory
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Cambridge Ma  02139
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Cell: 508-930-3461

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From bill_flounders at berkeley.edu  Thu Dec  1 16:43:16 2022
From: bill_flounders at berkeley.edu (Albert William (Bill) Flounders)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2022 13:43:16 -0800
Subject: [labnetwork] BCL3 question
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All,
Tom Britton has provided a wide range of excellent info to many of us.
I'm confident some supplier does recommend those storage limits and
large fabs have no trouble meeting them.
After review, we realized to meet these limits we would be disposing of
almost all of our gases - so we are going to keep drinking the old milk
regardless of what the carton says.

The one exception I will note is diborane - which is the gas with the
shortest
recommended storage time on this list. We routinely had clogged injectors
on
an lpcvd system delivering B2H6 and bottle change often solved the issue.
Polymerization of diborane is well documented and there's even a thread
from
2012 on lab net discussing the issue.

Regards
Bill Flounders
UC Berkeley


On Thu, Dec 1, 2022 at 1:02 PM Collins, Deon <deonc69 at illinois.edu> wrote:

> I can tell you we personally had a BCL3 cylinder that was much, much,
> older than what is listed on their standards. It performed excellent till
> the day it was changed out three years ago. That cylinder is still being
> used on one of our cleanroom process tools with great results. Purity has
> an affect as well.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* labnetwork <labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu> * On Behalf Of *Tom
> Britton
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2022 10:56 AM
> *To:* Morrison, Richard H., Jr <rmorrison at draper.com>;
> labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu
> *Subject:* Re: [labnetwork] BCL3 question
>
>
>
> Hi Richard,
>
>
>
> I got this a while back from I believe Air Liquide, but I?m not 100%
> positive of the source. Hopefully it helps.
>
>
>
> Happy Holidays,
>
>
>
> Tom
>
>
>
> Tom Britton
>
> Director of Sales
>
> *Critical Systems, Inc.*
>
> Direct: 208.890.1417
>
> Office: 877.572.5515
>
> Skype: tombrittoncsi
>
> *www.CriticalSystemsInc.com*
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>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* labnetwork <labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu> *On Behalf Of *Morrison,
> Richard H., Jr
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2022 7:53 AM
> *To:* labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu
> *Subject:* [labnetwork] BCL3 question
>
>
>
> HI everyone,
>
>
>
> Does anybody have an estimate on how long BCl3 last in a cylinder. I have
> a cylinder of BCL3 install in 2013 and recently the etch rate has dropped,
> does BCl3 go bad? The gas cabinet scale is not in alarm.
>
>
>
> Rick
>
>
>
>
>
> Richard Morrison
>
> PMTS
>
> Draper Laboratory
>
> 555 Technology Square
>
> Cambridge Ma  02139
>
> Office: 617-258-3420
>
> Cell: 508-930-3461
>
>
>
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From rmorrison at draper.com  Thu Dec  1 16:47:05 2022
From: rmorrison at draper.com (Morrison, Richard H., Jr)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2022 21:47:05 +0000
Subject: [labnetwork] BCL3 question
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Thanks Everyone for your ideas



Rick





From: Albert William (Bill) Flounders <bill_flounders at berkeley.edu>
Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2022 4:43 PM
To: Collins, Deon <deonc69 at illinois.edu>
Cc: Morrison, Richard H., Jr <rmorrison at draper.com>; labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu
Subject: Re: [labnetwork] BCL3 question



All,

Tom Britton has provided a wide range of excellent info to many of us.

I'm confident some supplier does recommend those storage limits and

large fabs have no trouble meeting them.

After review, we realized to meet these limits we would be disposing of

almost all of our gases - so we are going to keep drinking the old milk

regardless of what the carton says.



The one exception I will note is diborane - which is the gas with the shortest

recommended storage time on this list. We routinely had clogged injectors on

an lpcvd system delivering B2H6 and bottle change often solved the issue.

Polymerization of diborane is well documented and there's even a thread from

2012 on lab net discussing the issue.



Regards

Bill Flounders

UC Berkeley





On Thu, Dec 1, 2022 at 1:02 PM Collins, Deon <deonc69 at illinois.edu<mailto:deonc69 at illinois.edu>> wrote:

   I can tell you we personally had a BCL3 cylinder that was much, much, older than what is listed on their standards. It performed excellent till the day it was changed out three years ago. That cylinder is still being used on one of our cleanroom process tools with great results. Purity has an affect as well.







   From: labnetwork <labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu<mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu>> On Behalf Of Tom Britton
   Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 10:56 AM
   To: Morrison, Richard H., Jr <rmorrison at draper.com<mailto:rmorrison at draper.com>>; labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu<mailto:labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu>
   Subject: Re: [labnetwork] BCL3 question



   Hi Richard,



   I got this a while back from I believe Air Liquide, but I?m not 100% positive of the source. Hopefully it helps.



   Happy Holidays,



   Tom



   Tom Britton

   Director of Sales

   Critical Systems, Inc.

   Direct: 208.890.1417

   Office: 877.572.5515

   Skype: tombrittoncsi

   www.CriticalSystemsInc.com<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.criticalsystemsinc.com_&d=DwMFAg&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=D1j3aH4gf_B24MHGaru0vse-Gx_NllaIE8kLU3iLsM0&m=Zc1q2ymDPllIVSzjmSZUdSs5CpFTu1sKiLVG7DOoSNE&s=tJB4xuByIZ7Ff61fhBJGZ4iH3G9CczR1NFyf0xP_86A&e=>







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   From: labnetwork <labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu<mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu>> On Behalf Of Morrison, Richard H., Jr
   Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 7:53 AM
   To: labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu<mailto:labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu>
   Subject: [labnetwork] BCL3 question



   HI everyone,



   Does anybody have an estimate on how long BCl3 last in a cylinder. I have a cylinder of BCL3 install in 2013 and recently the etch rate has dropped, does BCl3 go bad? The gas cabinet scale is not in alarm.



   Rick





   Richard Morrison

   PMTS

   Draper Laboratory

   555 Technology Square

   Cambridge Ma  02139

   Office: 617-258-3420

   Cell: 508-930-3461



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From rgc5 at psu.edu  Fri Dec  2 09:25:52 2022
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Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2022 14:25:52 +0000
Subject: [labnetwork] Penn State Nanofabrication Engineer Job Opportunity
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From shimonel at savion.huji.ac.il  Fri Dec  2 02:56:23 2022
From: shimonel at savion.huji.ac.il (Shimon Eliav)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2022 07:56:23 +0000
Subject: [labnetwork] BCL3 question
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Hi Rick,
This is my ?2 cents? for the discussion:

  *   We have Cl2, BCl3 and HBr etching processes running for 13 years
  *   The first set of cylinders were exchanged after 5 years of use
  *   The second set of cylinders is in use for 8 years and running
  *   Although we only order small cylinders (3 to 5 liters), they last for years
  *   We use to retire our cylinders when their hydrostatic test expires
  *   Only for B2H6 we observe its gas expiration date
Regards,
Shimon

From: labnetwork <labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu> On Behalf Of Morrison, Richard H., Jr
Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2022 23:47
To: bill_flounders at berkeley.edu; deonc69 at illinois.edu
Cc: labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu
Subject: Re: [labnetwork] BCL3 question

Thanks Everyone for your ideas

Rick


From: Albert William (Bill) Flounders <bill_flounders at berkeley.edu<mailto:bill_flounders at berkeley.edu>>
Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2022 4:43 PM
To: Collins, Deon <deonc69 at illinois.edu<mailto:deonc69 at illinois.edu>>
Cc: Morrison, Richard H., Jr <rmorrison at draper.com<mailto:rmorrison at draper.com>>; labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu<mailto:labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu>
Subject: Re: [labnetwork] BCL3 question

All,
Tom Britton has provided a wide range of excellent info to many of us.
I'm confident some supplier does recommend those storage limits and
large fabs have no trouble meeting them.
After review, we realized to meet these limits we would be disposing of
almost all of our gases - so we are going to keep drinking the old milk
regardless of what the carton says.

The one exception I will note is diborane - which is the gas with the shortest
recommended storage time on this list. We routinely had clogged injectors on
an lpcvd system delivering B2H6 and bottle change often solved the issue.
Polymerization of diborane is well documented and there's even a thread from
2012 on lab net discussing the issue.

Regards
Bill Flounders
UC Berkeley


On Thu, Dec 1, 2022 at 1:02 PM Collins, Deon <deonc69 at illinois.edu<mailto:deonc69 at illinois.edu>> wrote:
I can tell you we personally had a BCL3 cylinder that was much, much, older than what is listed on their standards. It performed excellent till the day it was changed out three years ago. That cylinder is still being used on one of our cleanroom process tools with great results. Purity has an affect as well.



From: labnetwork <labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu<mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu>> On Behalf Of Tom Britton
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 10:56 AM
To: Morrison, Richard H., Jr <rmorrison at draper.com<mailto:rmorrison at draper.com>>; labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu<mailto:labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu>
Subject: Re: [labnetwork] BCL3 question

Hi Richard,

I got this a while back from I believe Air Liquide, but I?m not 100% positive of the source. Hopefully it helps.

Happy Holidays,

Tom

Tom Britton
Director of Sales
Critical Systems, Inc.
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Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 7:53 AM
To: labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu<mailto:labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu>
Subject: [labnetwork] BCL3 question

HI everyone,

Does anybody have an estimate on how long BCl3 last in a cylinder. I have a cylinder of BCL3 install in 2013 and recently the etch rate has dropped, does BCl3 go bad? The gas cabinet scale is not in alarm.

Rick


Richard Morrison
PMTS
Draper Laboratory
555 Technology Square
Cambridge Ma  02139
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From tbritton at criticalsystemsinc.com  Fri Dec  2 10:46:51 2022
From: tbritton at criticalsystemsinc.com (Tom Britton)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2022 15:46:51 +0000
Subject: [labnetwork] BCL3 question
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I will add in that this is from the ?gas supplier?, and they may have a vested interest in customer?s continuing to buy fresh gases. Also, they could be leaning conservative as the quality of the gas that is needed for 10nm HVM production and that which is needed for research may be quite different.

Happy holidays!

Tom

From: labnetwork <labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu> On Behalf Of Albert William (Bill) Flounders
Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2022 2:43 PM
To: Collins, Deon <deonc69 at illinois.edu>
Cc: labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu
Subject: Re: [labnetwork] BCL3 question


[EXTERNAL EMAIL] This message originated outside of your organization. Remember to always use caution when opening attachments or clicking on links.
All,
Tom Britton has provided a wide range of excellent info to many of us.
I'm confident some supplier does recommend those storage limits and
large fabs have no trouble meeting them.
After review, we realized to meet these limits we would be disposing of
almost all of our gases - so we are going to keep drinking the old milk
regardless of what the carton says.

The one exception I will note is diborane - which is the gas with the shortest
recommended storage time on this list. We routinely had clogged injectors on
an lpcvd system delivering B2H6 and bottle change often solved the issue.
Polymerization of diborane is well documented and there's even a thread from
2012 on lab net discussing the issue.

Regards
Bill Flounders
UC Berkeley


On Thu, Dec 1, 2022 at 1:02 PM Collins, Deon <deonc69 at illinois.edu<mailto:deonc69 at illinois.edu>> wrote:
I can tell you we personally had a BCL3 cylinder that was much, much, older than what is listed on their standards. It performed excellent till the day it was changed out three years ago. That cylinder is still being used on one of our cleanroom process tools with great results. Purity has an affect as well.



From: labnetwork <labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu<mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu>> On Behalf Of Tom Britton
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 10:56 AM
To: Morrison, Richard H., Jr <rmorrison at draper.com<mailto:rmorrison at draper.com>>; labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu<mailto:labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu>
Subject: Re: [labnetwork] BCL3 question

Hi Richard,

I got this a while back from I believe Air Liquide, but I?m not 100% positive of the source. Hopefully it helps.

Happy Holidays,

Tom

Tom Britton
Director of Sales
Critical Systems, Inc.
Direct: 208.890.1417
Office: 877.572.5515
Skype: tombrittoncsi
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From: labnetwork <labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu<mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu>> On Behalf Of Morrison, Richard H., Jr
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 7:53 AM
To: labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu<mailto:labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu>
Subject: [labnetwork] BCL3 question

HI everyone,

Does anybody have an estimate on how long BCl3 last in a cylinder. I have a cylinder of BCL3 install in 2013 and recently the etch rate has dropped, does BCl3 go bad? The gas cabinet scale is not in alarm.

Rick


Richard Morrison
PMTS
Draper Laboratory
555 Technology Square
Cambridge Ma  02139
Office: 617-258-3420
Cell: 508-930-3461

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From codreanu at udel.edu  Fri Dec  2 16:32:49 2022
From: codreanu at udel.edu (Iulian Codreanu)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2022 16:32:49 -0500
Subject: [labnetwork] BCL3 question
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Hi Everyone,

My current supplier lists 24-36 months for the gases I use; they are 
unable to supply BCl3 at this time so there is no shelf life listed. I 
do not use B2H6.

I noticed that on the list Tom shared, H2 is listed at 12 months; that 
seems awfully short - my supplier lists 36 months but most of us 
probably regard that as being on the conservative side. Also, O2 and Ar 
seem to go bad in 3 years...

Happy holidays,

Iulian

iulian Codreanu, Ph.D.
Director, Nanofabrication Facility
University of Delaware
Harker ISE Lab, Room 163
221 Academy Street
Newark, DE 19716
302-831-2784
http://udnf.udel.edu

On 12/2/2022 10:46 AM, Tom Britton wrote:
>
> I will add in that this is from the ?gas supplier?, and they may have 
> a vested interest in customer?s continuing to buy fresh gases. Also, 
> they could be leaning conservative as the quality of the gas that is 
> needed for 10nm HVM production and that which is needed for research 
> may be quite different.
>
> Happy holidays!
>
> Tom
>
> *From:* labnetwork <labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu> *On Behalf Of 
> *Albert William (Bill) Flounders
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 1, 2022 2:43 PM
> *To:* Collins, Deon <deonc69 at illinois.edu>
> *Cc:* labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu
> *Subject:* Re: [labnetwork] BCL3 question
>
> *[EXTERNAL EMAIL]*This message originated outside of your 
> organization. Remember to always use caution when opening attachments 
> or clicking on links.
>
> All,
>
> Tom Britton has provided a wide range of excellent info to many of us.
>
> I'm confident some supplier does recommend those storage limits and
>
> large fabs have no trouble meeting them.
>
> After review, we realized to meet these limits we would be disposing of
>
> almost all of our gases - so we are going to keep drinking the old milk
>
> regardless of what the carton says.
>
> The one exception I will note is diborane - which is the gas with the 
> shortest
>
> recommended storage time on this list. We routinely had clogged 
> injectors on
>
> an lpcvd system delivering B2H6 and bottle change often solved the issue.
>
> Polymerization of diborane is well documented and there's even a 
> thread from
>
> 2012 on lab net discussing the issue.
>
> Regards
>
> Bill Flounders
>
> UC Berkeley
>
> On Thu, Dec 1, 2022 at 1:02 PM Collins, Deon <deonc69 at illinois.edu> wrote:
>
>     I can tell you we personally had a BCL3 cylinder that was much,
>     much, older than what is listed on their standards. It performed
>     excellent till the day it was changed out three years ago. That
>     cylinder is still being used on one of our cleanroom process tools
>     with great results. Purity has an affect as well.
>
>     *From:* labnetwork <labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu> *On Behalf Of
>     *Tom Britton
>     *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2022 10:56 AM
>     *To:* Morrison, Richard H., Jr <rmorrison at draper.com>;
>     labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu
>     *Subject:* Re: [labnetwork] BCL3 question
>
>     Hi Richard,
>
>     I got this a while back from I believe Air Liquide, but I?m not
>     100% positive of the source. Hopefully it helps.
>
>     Happy Holidays,
>
>     Tom
>
>     Tom Britton
>
>     Director of Sales
>
>     /Critical Systems, Inc./
>
>     Direct: 208.890.1417
>
>     Office: 877.572.5515
>
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>     *From:* labnetwork <labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu> *On Behalf Of
>     *Morrison, Richard H., Jr
>     *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2022 7:53 AM
>     *To:* labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu
>     *Subject:* [labnetwork] BCL3 question
>
>     HI everyone,
>
>     Does anybody have an estimate on how long BCl3 last in a cylinder.
>     I have a cylinder of BCL3 install in 2013 and recently the etch
>     rate has dropped, does BCl3 go bad? The gas cabinet scale is not
>     in alarm.
>
>     Rick
>
>     Richard Morrison
>
>     PMTS
>
>     Draper Laboratory
>
>     555 Technology Square
>
>     Cambridge Ma? 02139
>
>     Office: 617-258-3420
>
>     Cell: 508-930-3461
>
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From sergilendi at lsu.edu  Mon Dec  5 13:32:14 2022
From: sergilendi at lsu.edu (Sergi Lendinez)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2022 18:32:14 +0000
Subject: [labnetwork] Oxidation furnace
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Hello everyone,

We are looking into acquiring an oxidation furnace to be able to grow good thermal oxides in Si wafers.

We have found the model GSL1100XIII8 by MTI https://www.mtixtl.com/ThreeZonesTubeFurnace11Quartz-GSL-1100X-XX-III.aspx
[http://www.mtixtl.com/images/products/thumb/gsl1100x11main2.1.jpg]<https://www.mtixtl.com/ThreeZonesTubeFurnace11Quartz-GSL-1100X-XX-III.aspx>
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www.mtixtl.com
Does anyone have any experience with this furnace, or any recommendation for a similar tube furnace (or any other advice)? Our budget for is in the 30k-40k range.

Thank you,
Sergi

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From armin.baur at plasmatherm.com  Mon Dec  5 18:10:41 2022
From: armin.baur at plasmatherm.com (Baur, Armin (Plasma-Therm LLC))
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2022 23:10:41 +0000
Subject: [labnetwork] Oxidation furnace
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Sergi,

I have been working with Centrotherm oxidation furnaces for over 15 years and can highly recommend.
https://www.centrotherm.de/en/equipment/c-oxidator

Armin

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Hello everyone,

We are looking into acquiring an oxidation furnace to be able to grow good thermal oxides in Si wafers.

We have found the model GSL1100XIII8 by MTI https://www.mtixtl.com/ThreeZonesTubeFurnace11Quartz-GSL-1100X-XX-III.aspx
[http://www.mtixtl.com/images/products/thumb/gsl1100x11main2.1.jpg]<https://www.mtixtl.com/ThreeZonesTubeFurnace11Quartz-GSL-1100X-XX-III.aspx>
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www.mtixtl.com<http://www.mtixtl.com>
Does anyone have any experience with this furnace, or any recommendation for a similar tube furnace (or any other advice)? Our budget for is in the 30k-40k range.

Thank you,
Sergi

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From lvchang at Central.UH.EDU  Wed Dec  7 11:10:14 2022
From: lvchang at Central.UH.EDU (Chang, Long)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2022 16:10:14 +0000
Subject: [labnetwork] Sputtering graphite
Message-ID: <C22FF2DA-399A-4781-8F95-95DD10C0400E@central.uh.edu>

Hello,

A researcher is interested in sputtering graphite via DC magnetron sputtering. Does anyone have experience with this they can share? Is this a material of concern for a shared facility?

Thanks,
Long

From kevin.l.denis at nasa.gov  Wed Dec  7 16:45:52 2022
From: kevin.l.denis at nasa.gov (Denis, Kevin L. (GSFC-5530))
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2022 21:45:52 +0000
Subject: [labnetwork] CDA and copper piping
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Hello All,
Has anyone used copper piping for clean dry air lines.  If not what kind of problems would one run into if going this route?  Thanks for any insight that can be provided.


Regards,
Kevin


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From mmoneck at andrew.cmu.edu  Wed Dec  7 20:32:52 2022
From: mmoneck at andrew.cmu.edu (Matthew Moneck)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2022 20:32:52 -0500
Subject: [labnetwork] CDA and copper piping
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Hi Kevin,



All of the mains and laterals for our -100F dewpoint compressed air are
copper.  We have not experienced any issues.  If you have any concerns
about particulate, you can install point of use filters, but have not
needed to do so.



Best Regards,


Matt



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*From:* labnetwork <labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu> *On Behalf Of *Denis,
Kevin L. (GSFC-5530)
*Sent:* Wednesday, December 7, 2022 4:46 PM
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Hello All,

Has anyone used copper piping for clean dry air lines.  If not what kind of
problems would one run into if going this route?  Thanks for any insight
that can be provided.





Regards,
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From codreanu at udel.edu  Thu Dec  8 08:47:59 2022
From: codreanu at udel.edu (Iulian Codreanu)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2022 08:47:59 -0500
Subject: [labnetwork] CDA and copper piping
In-Reply-To: <4f6a73c96d692d497e320e5207ca83ce@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Kevin,

I've used cleaned-for-oxygen copper for CDA in two cleanrooms. Here at 
UD I had a membrane dryer installed to lower the building supplied CDA's 
dewpoint? to -100F.

Cheers,

Iulian

iulian Codreanu, Ph.D.
Director, Nanofabrication Facility
University of Delaware
Harker ISE Lab, Room 163
221 Academy Street
Newark, DE 19716
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http://udnf.udel.edu

On 12/7/2022 8:32 PM, Matthew Moneck wrote:
>
> Hi Kevin,
>
> All of the mains and laterals for our -100F dewpoint compressed air 
> are copper.? We have not experienced any issues.? If you have any 
> concerns about particulate, you can install point of use filters, but 
> have not needed to do so.
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
> Matt
>
> --
>
> *Matthew T. Moneck, Ph.D*
>
> Executive Director, Claire & John Bertucci Nanotechnology Laboratory
>
> Electrical & Computer Engineering | Carnegie Mellon University
>
> 5000 Forbes Avenue, Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3890
>
> Phone: 412-268-5430
>
> ece.cmu.edu <http://www.ece.cmu.edu/>
>
> nanofab.ece.cmu.edu <http://www.nanofab.ece.cmu.edu/>
>
> *From:* labnetwork <labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu> *On Behalf Of 
> *Denis, Kevin L. (GSFC-5530)
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 7, 2022 4:46 PM
> *To:* labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu
> *Subject:* [labnetwork] CDA and copper piping
>
> Hello All,
>
> Has anyone used copper piping for clean dry air lines.? If not what 
> kind of problems would one run into if going this route?? Thanks for 
> any insight that can be provided.
>
> Regards,
> Kevin
>
>
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From michael.martin at louisville.edu  Thu Dec  8 10:05:01 2022
From: michael.martin at louisville.edu (Martin, Michael)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2022 15:05:01 +0000
Subject: [labnetwork] CDA and copper piping
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Hi Kevin,
   Our compressed air at U. of Louisville is all copper too.  No complaints or issues to report.

Regards,
   Michael
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Hello All,

Has anyone used copper piping for clean dry air lines.  If not what kind of problems would one run into if going this route?  Thanks for any insight that can be provided.





Regards,
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From deonc69 at illinois.edu  Thu Dec  8 10:46:21 2022
From: deonc69 at illinois.edu (Collins, Deon)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2022 15:46:21 +0000
Subject: [labnetwork] CDA and copper piping
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Our entire system is copper. There are standards depending on your needs. You should be using type L copper for Med Gas.  Silver soldered joints are a preferred method for Med Gas. The compressor, dehumidifier and filters play as large a role as the materials.

From: labnetwork <labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu> On Behalf Of Denis, Kevin L. (GSFC-5530)
Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2022 3:46 PM
To: labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu
Subject: [labnetwork] CDA and copper piping

Hello All,
Has anyone used copper piping for clean dry air lines.  If not what kind of problems would one run into if going this route?  Thanks for any insight that can be provided.


Regards,
Kevin


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From kevin.l.denis at nasa.gov  Thu Dec  8 11:04:54 2022
From: kevin.l.denis at nasa.gov (Denis, Kevin L. (GSFC-5530))
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2022 16:04:54 +0000
Subject: [labnetwork] [EXTERNAL] RE: CDA and copper piping
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Hello all,
Thank you very much for your suggestions and experience.  Consensus says that copper lines should be OK if silver soldered connections and care is taken to keep low moisture (-100F dewpoint).  Leaks in the line can generate copper sulfate buildup.  Point of use filters for particulates are also recommended.

Thanks again really appreciate it,
Kevin





From: Collins, Deon <deonc69 at illinois.edu>
Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2022 10:46 AM
To: Denis, Kevin L. (GSFC-5530) <kevin.l.denis at nasa.gov>; labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu
Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: CDA and copper piping

Our entire system is copper. There are standards depending on your needs. You should be using type L copper for Med Gas.  Silver soldered joints are a preferred method for Med Gas. The compressor, dehumidifier and filters play as large a role as the materials.

From: labnetwork <labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu<mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu>> On Behalf Of Denis, Kevin L. (GSFC-5530)
Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2022 3:46 PM
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Subject: [labnetwork] CDA and copper piping

Hello All,
Has anyone used copper piping for clean dry air lines.  If not what kind of problems would one run into if going this route?  Thanks for any insight that can be provided.


Regards,
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From spaolini at cns.fas.harvard.edu  Thu Dec  8 11:07:13 2022
From: spaolini at cns.fas.harvard.edu (Paolini, Steven)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2022 16:07:13 +0000
Subject: [labnetwork] CDA and copper piping
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Kevin,
  Copper is OK for CDA use but I would recommend having the joints brazed while a purge gas (argon) is flowing. Traditional soldering leaves flux residue that could migrate downstream. The new style "Propress" fittings are quite good and very clean as well.
In any event, do NOT use PVC!!!!! When PVC is overpressurized, it explodes in shards!
  Equipment Dood.

Steve Paolini
Principal Equipment Engineer
Harvard University Center for Nanoscale Systems
11 Oxford St.
Cambridge, MA 02138
617- 496- 9816
spaolini at cns.fas.harvard.edu
www.cns.fas.harvard.edu

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Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2022 4:46 PM
To: labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu
Subject: [labnetwork] CDA and copper piping

Hello All,
Has anyone used copper piping for clean dry air lines.  If not what kind of problems would one run into if going this route?  Thanks for any insight that can be provided.


Regards,
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From james.beall at nist.gov  Thu Dec  8 11:33:12 2022
From: james.beall at nist.gov (Beall, James A. (Fed))
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2022 16:33:12 +0000
Subject: [labnetwork] CDA and copper piping
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Hi Kevin,

The CDA piping in our fab is Copper pipe:


Seamless copper tubing, ASTM-B88, Type-K, Type-L, or Type-M as indicated. Joints:

? High temperature soldered: Use 1,000 degF solder.

No problems with contamination for our purposes.

Best,

Jim
NIST
Boulder Microfabrication Facility


On Dec 7, 2022, at 2:45 PM, Denis, Kevin L. (GSFC-5530) <kevin.l.denis at nasa.gov<mailto:kevin.l.denis at nasa.gov>> wrote:

Hello All,
Has anyone used copper piping for clean dry air lines.  If not what kind of problems would one run into if going this route?  Thanks for any insight that can be provided.


Regards,
Kevin


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From spaolini at cns.fas.harvard.edu  Thu Dec  8 12:08:53 2022
From: spaolini at cns.fas.harvard.edu (Paolini, Steven)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2022 17:08:53 +0000
Subject: [labnetwork] Looking for an MFC
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Hello Fabbers!
  I need an MKS "G" series MFC for 100% SiH4. It needs to have male VCR connections, a 15 pin sub D electrical interface, all metal seals, and a 100sccm range.
I ordered one from the manufacturer but the lead time is extraordinary.  We are willing to pay top dollar for one if someone should have a match.
  Thanks!
  Equipment Dood

Steve Paolini
Principal Equipment Engineer
Harvard University Center for Nanoscale Systems
11 Oxford St.
Cambridge, MA 02138
617- 496- 9816
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From schweig at umich.edu  Thu Dec  8 12:18:53 2022
From: schweig at umich.edu (Dennis Schweiger)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2022 12:18:53 -0500
Subject: [labnetwork] CDA and copper piping
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We don't use CDA anywhere in the facility, but we do have our utility N2 in
the new part of our lab running in copper, with the ProPress fittings.  We
have found no issues with this installation since it was installed back in
2008.  In fact, we've found it to be easier to work with, and modify, as we
make changes, and move tools around.

Dennis Schweiger
University of Michigan/LNF

734.647.2055 Ofc

On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 8:08 PM Denis, Kevin L. (GSFC-5530) <
kevin.l.denis at nasa.gov> wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> Has anyone used copper piping for clean dry air lines.  If not what kind
> of problems would one run into if going this route?  Thanks for any insight
> that can be provided.
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Kevin
>
>
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From: J_Hagopian at comcast.net (J_Hagopian)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2022 13:00:22 -0500
Subject: [labnetwork] Open position - Materials Scientist/Process Engineer
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NASA related R&D in nanotechnology. Most work performed in labs at NASA GSFC, UMD Nanofabrication Center and Army Research Laboratory. Looking for Materials Scientist/chemist experienced with lithography, physical and chemical vapor deposition processes and SEM. Familiarity with carbon nanotubes is a plus. Candidates must have Bachelors, Masters or PhD degree and experience in these areas preferred. Start date Jan 1, 2023 or thereabouts to take advantage of training with our current Materials Lead. Will consider part time work but must be available during core hours for training. Local applicants encouraged. Current project: patterning CNT apodizer mirrors for Exoplanet Resarch, developing CNT based chemical and optical sensors.

From yakimom at sunypoly.edu  Thu Dec  8 13:15:16 2022
From: yakimom at sunypoly.edu (Michael Yakimov)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2022 18:15:16 +0000
Subject: [labnetwork] CDA and copper piping
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And while we?re at this? Any comments on oil in CDA? My understanding is that many actuators need some oil to keep seals actually sealing.  I had to get a few drops into system inlet of our big machine to keep it happy. Flip side of it is, apparently, that some oil may get into the air.
Maybe my information is outdated?  PTFE seals apparently should be able to work dry; and viton may work better than buna-N?

For those with  low dew point CDA ? do you see any issues with seals in actuators?  Or I am still living in the past and this is not an issue any more?

Thanks

Mike





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To: Denis, Kevin L. (GSFC-5530) <kevin.l.denis at nasa.gov>; labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu
Subject: Re: [labnetwork] CDA and copper piping

Our entire system is copper. There are standards depending on your needs. You should be using type L copper for Med Gas.  Silver soldered joints are a preferred method for Med Gas. The compressor, dehumidifier and filters play as large a role as the materials.

From: labnetwork <labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu<mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu>> On Behalf Of Denis, Kevin L. (GSFC-5530)
Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2022 3:46 PM
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Subject: [labnetwork] CDA and copper piping

Hello All,
Has anyone used copper piping for clean dry air lines.  If not what kind of problems would one run into if going this route?  Thanks for any insight that can be provided.


Regards,
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From mkhan at fas.harvard.edu  Thu Dec  8 13:25:16 2022
From: mkhan at fas.harvard.edu (Khan, Mughees)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2022 18:25:16 +0000
Subject: [labnetwork] Query on Deuterated Silane
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Dear All,

I was wondering if our community members can share their experiences on using Deuterated Silane (SiD4) instead of conventional SiH4 as a precursor for PECVD tools for low-loss optical films.

Any insights, pros/cons from a process as well as equipment side would be very helpful.

Thanks in advance for any pointers and guidance!

Best regards,
Mughees
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From julia.aebersold at louisville.edu  Thu Dec  8 13:36:39 2022
From: julia.aebersold at louisville.edu (Aebersold, Julia)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2022 18:36:39 +0000
Subject: [labnetwork] CDA and copper piping
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Louisville has a dryer along with the copper lines.

Cheers!

Julia Aebersold, Ph.D.
Manager, Micro/Nano Technology Center
University of Louisville
Shumaker Research Building, Room 233
2210 South Brook Street
Louisville, KY  40292
(502) 852-1572

http://louisville.edu/micronano/

From: labnetwork <labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu> On Behalf Of Martin, Michael
Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2022 10:05 AM
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Hi Kevin,
   Our compressed air at U. of Louisville is all copper too.  No complaints or issues to report.

Regards,
   Michael
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Hello All,

Has anyone used copper piping for clean dry air lines.  If not what kind of problems would one run into if going this route?  Thanks for any insight that can be provided.





Regards,
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From tbritton at criticalsystemsinc.com  Thu Dec  8 16:17:54 2022
From: tbritton at criticalsystemsinc.com (Tom Britton)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2022 21:17:54 +0000
Subject: [labnetwork] Looking for an MFC
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Hi Steve,

Have you tried Coastal Instruments? They may have a refurb MFC that is less expensive with a faster delivery.

https://mfchelp.com/
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Hello Fabbers!
  I need an MKS "G" series MFC for 100% SiH4. It needs to have male VCR connections, a 15 pin sub D electrical interface, all metal seals, and a 100sccm range.
I ordered one from the manufacturer but the lead time is extraordinary.  We are willing to pay top dollar for one if someone should have a match.
  Thanks!
  Equipment Dood

Steve Paolini
Principal Equipment Engineer
Harvard University Center for Nanoscale Systems
11 Oxford St.
Cambridge, MA 02138
617- 496- 9816
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From codreanu at udel.edu  Thu Dec  8 16:51:35 2022
From: codreanu at udel.edu (Iulian Codreanu)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2022 16:51:35 -0500
Subject: [labnetwork] CDA and copper piping
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Hi,

I have not experienced any issues with my low dewpoint CDA system.

Iulian

iulian Codreanu, Ph.D.
Director, Nanofabrication Facility
University of Delaware
Harker ISE Lab, Room 163
221 Academy Street
Newark, DE 19716
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On 12/8/2022 1:15 PM, Michael Yakimov wrote:
>
> And while we?re at this? Any comments on oil in CDA? My understanding 
> is that many actuators need some oil to keep seals actually sealing. 
> ?I had to get a few drops into system inlet of our big machine to keep 
> it happy. Flip side of it is, apparently, that some oil may get into 
> the air.
>
> Maybe my information is outdated? ?PTFE seals apparently should be 
> able to work dry; and viton may work better than buna-N?
>
> For those with ?low dew point CDA ? do you see any issues with seals 
> in actuators? ?Or I am still living in the past and this is not an 
> issue any more?
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike
>
> *From:* labnetwork <labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu> *On Behalf Of 
> *Collins, Deon
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 8, 2022 10:46
> *To:* Denis, Kevin L. (GSFC-5530) <kevin.l.denis at nasa.gov>; 
> labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu
> *Subject:* Re: [labnetwork] CDA and copper piping
>
> Our entire system is copper. There are standards depending on your 
> needs. You should be using type L copper for Med Gas. ?Silver soldered 
> joints are a preferred method for Med Gas. The compressor, 
> dehumidifier and filters play as large a role as the materials.
>
> *From:* labnetwork <labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu> *On Behalf Of 
> *Denis, Kevin L. (GSFC-5530)
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 7, 2022 3:46 PM
> *To:* labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu
> *Subject:* [labnetwork] CDA and copper piping
>
> Hello All,
>
> Has anyone used copper piping for clean dry air lines. ?If not what 
> kind of problems would one run into if going this route?? Thanks for 
> any insight that can be provided.
>
> Regards,
> Kevin
>
>
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From jtamelier at eng.ucsd.edu  Thu Dec  8 17:26:07 2022
From: jtamelier at eng.ucsd.edu (John Tamelier)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2022 14:26:07 -0800
Subject: [labnetwork] Job Opening - Equipment Engineer at University of
 California, San Diego
Message-ID: <33b31dcb-03ed-ce16-b6b1-c4e967c1b1aa@eng.ucsd.edu>

Hello everyone,

The University of California, San Diego's Nano3 cleanroom facility has 
an open position for an experienced equipment engineer. The position 
will work with a wide variety of tools in the facility with a focus on 
material deposition and thermal processing equipment.

The link for the position with information on how to apply can be found 
here.
https://employment.ucsd.edu/equipment-engineer-3-120032/job/21209385

Please feel free to pass this on to anyone who may be interested.

Thank you,

John

-----------------------------------
John Tamelier, Ph.D.
Interim Director - Nano3

University of California, San Diego
Atkinson Hall, 5th Floor Front Desk, M/C 0436
9500 Gilman Drive
La Jolla, California 92093-0436

http://nano3.calit2.net
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From johnboyle at fast.net  Thu Dec  8 19:56:28 2022
From: johnboyle at fast.net (John Boyle)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2022 19:56:28 -0500
Subject: [labnetwork] CDA and copper piping
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Copper type K, silver soldered with argon purge by experienced mechanical
piping contractor. This is durable and meets all piping codes. I usually use
a tubing that is cleaned for oxygen service. It is ab it more expensive but
takes some uncertainty out of the installation.

 

CDA should be dried (-100 F dew point) and filtered. One "trick" to use if
particulates are an issue---after tubing is installed run the line and vent
it to a safe location.while air is flowing tap the tubing with a length of
PVC pipe (2-3 ft.) staring at the compressor and following it down the line.
This will help remove any particulate in the line and is low cost and easy
to do. Install filters after purging out the line.

 

DO NOT use PVC for compressed air. It can burst or explode. PVC in air is
specifically forbidden by ASME Piping codes. Using PVC is a safety issue and
a liability. It can also present insurance issues with your insurer.

 

 

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John Boyle Consulting, LLC

4848 Canterbury Drive

Emmaus, PA 18049

484-432-7596 Cell

610-965-3208 Office

 

 

 

From: labnetwork [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] On Behalf Of
Paolini, Steven
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2022 11:07 AM
To: Denis, Kevin L. (GSFC-5530); labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu
Subject: Re: [labnetwork] CDA and copper piping

 

Kevin,

  Copper is OK for CDA use but I would recommend having the joints brazed
while a purge gas (argon) is flowing. Traditional soldering leaves flux
residue that could migrate downstream. The new style "Propress" fittings are
quite good and very clean as well.

In any event, do NOT use PVC!!!!! When PVC is overpressurized, it explodes
in shards!

  Equipment Dood.

 

Steve Paolini

Principal Equipment Engineer

Harvard University Center for Nanoscale Systems

11 Oxford St.

Cambridge, MA 02138

617- 496- 9816

spaolini at cns.fas.harvard.edu

www.cns.fas.harvard.edu

 

From: labnetwork <labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu> On Behalf Of Denis, Kevin
L. (GSFC-5530)
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2022 4:46 PM
To: labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu
Subject: [labnetwork] CDA and copper piping

 

Hello All,

Has anyone used copper piping for clean dry air lines.  If not what kind of
problems would one run into if going this route?  Thanks for any insight
that can be provided.

 

 

Regards,
Kevin

 

 

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From aamer.mahmood at mail.wvu.edu  Fri Dec  9 09:12:01 2022
From: aamer.mahmood at mail.wvu.edu (Aamer Mahmood)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2022 14:12:01 +0000
Subject: [labnetwork] Service company for Karl Suss aligners
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Hello all,
We have an MJB3 and an MA6 aligner in our cleanrooms that I'd like serviced and checked on-site. I'd appreciate any recommendations on companies I could use.
Thanks.

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Shared Research Facilities
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(304) 293 9418 (work)
https://sharedresearchfacilities.wvu.edu/

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From deonc69 at illinois.edu  Fri Dec  9 09:12:59 2022
From: deonc69 at illinois.edu (Collins, Deon)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2022 14:12:59 +0000
Subject: [labnetwork] Looking for an MFC
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I will look though our stash of MFC's we have quite a selection.

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Hi Steve,

Have you tried Coastal Instruments? They may have a refurb MFC that is less expensive with a faster delivery.

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Merry Christmas!

Tom

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Hello Fabbers!
  I need an MKS "G" series MFC for 100% SiH4. It needs to have male VCR connections, a 15 pin sub D electrical interface, all metal seals, and a 100sccm range.
I ordered one from the manufacturer but the lead time is extraordinary.  We are willing to pay top dollar for one if someone should have a match.
  Thanks!
  Equipment Dood

Steve Paolini
Principal Equipment Engineer
Harvard University Center for Nanoscale Systems
11 Oxford St.
Cambridge, MA 02138
617- 496- 9816
spaolini at cns.fas.harvard.edu<mailto:spaolini at cns.fas.harvard.edu>
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From pestal at eecs.berkeley.edu  Fri Dec  9 12:37:23 2022
From: pestal at eecs.berkeley.edu (Danny Pestal)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2022 09:37:23 -0800
Subject: [labnetwork] Service company for Karl Suss aligners
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Kyle Willis of WEC Pro has services our MA6 for years. Highly
knowledgeable, highly capable, and has access to parts and upgrades.

Highly recommend.

https://www.wecpro.com/

On Fri, Dec 9, 2022, 9:18 AM Aamer Mahmood <aamer.mahmood at mail.wvu.edu>
wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> We have an MJB3 and an MA6 aligner in our cleanrooms that I?d like
> serviced and checked on-site. I?d appreciate any recommendations on
> companies I could use.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Aamer Mahmood
>
> Director
>
> Shared Research Facilities
>
> West Virginia University
>
> Morgantown, WV
>
>
>
> (304) 293 9418 (work)
>
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From nxh195 at case.edu  Fri Dec  9 12:42:15 2022
From: nxh195 at case.edu (Nichole Hoven)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2022 12:42:15 -0500
Subject: [labnetwork] Service company for Karl Suss aligners
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We have used Eric Hoffmann (https://www.hoffmanninstruments.com/) to
service a MA6, and would not hesitate to use him again!

Nichole Hoven

On Fri, Dec 9, 2022 at 12:16 PM Aamer Mahmood <aamer.mahmood at mail.wvu.edu>
wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> We have an MJB3 and an MA6 aligner in our cleanrooms that I?d like
> serviced and checked on-site. I?d appreciate any recommendations on
> companies I could use.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Aamer Mahmood
>
> Director
>
> Shared Research Facilities
>
> West Virginia University
>
> Morgantown, WV
>
>
>
> (304) 293 9418 (work)
>
> https://sharedresearchfacilities.wvu.edu/
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From julia.aebersold at louisville.edu  Fri Dec  9 12:44:33 2022
From: julia.aebersold at louisville.edu (Aebersold, Julia)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2022 17:44:33 +0000
Subject: [labnetwork] Service company for Karl Suss aligners
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Mark Anderson is the fella we use and he's awesome.  markanderson150 at gmail.com<mailto:markanderson150 at gmail.com>

Kyle Willis is the other fella if Mark is not available. Kyle at wecpro.com<mailto:Kyle at wecpro.com>

Cheers!

Julia Aebersold, Ph.D.
Manager, Micro/Nano Technology Center
University of Louisville
Shumaker Research Building, Room 233
2210 South Brook Street
Louisville, KY  40292
(502) 852-1572

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Hello all,
We have an MJB3 and an MA6 aligner in our cleanrooms that I'd like serviced and checked on-site. I'd appreciate any recommendations on companies I could use.
Thanks.

--
Aamer Mahmood
Director
Shared Research Facilities
West Virginia University
Morgantown, WV

(304) 293 9418 (work)
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From bgila at ufl.edu  Fri Dec  9 12:59:24 2022
From: bgila at ufl.edu (Gila,Brent P)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2022 12:59:24 -0500
Subject: [labnetwork] Service company for Karl Suss aligners
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We have used ClassOne (https://classoneequipment.com/) in Decatur GA for 
service on our Suss aligners.?? They provide decent support at 
reasonable prices.? Or at least, that has been our experience.

Best Regards,
Brent
-- 
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Associate Director, Research Service Centers
University of Florida
1041 Center Drive
Gainesville, Florida 32611
Tel:352-273-2245,? Fax:352-846-2877
email: bgila at ufl.edu

On 12/9/2022 9:12 AM, Aamer Mahmood wrote:
> *[External Email]*
>
> Hello all,
>
> We have an MJB3 and an MA6 aligner in our cleanrooms that I?d like 
> serviced and checked on-site. I?d appreciate any recommendations on 
> companies I could use.
>
> Thanks.
>
> --
>
> Aamer Mahmood
>
> Director
>
> Shared Research Facilities
>
> West Virginia University
>
> Morgantown, WV
>
> (304) 293 9418 (work)
>
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From plenvik at ucsb.edu  Fri Dec  9 13:04:22 2022
From: plenvik at ucsb.edu (Peder Lenvik)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2022 10:04:22 -0800
Subject: [labnetwork] Service company for Karl Suss aligners
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http://jbtss.com/



*Peder*



*From:* labnetwork <labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu> *On Behalf Of *Aamer
Mahmood
*Sent:* Friday, December 9, 2022 6:12 AM
*To:* labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu
*Subject:* [labnetwork] Service company for Karl Suss aligners



Hello all,

We have an MJB3 and an MA6 aligner in our cleanrooms that I?d like serviced
and checked on-site. I?d appreciate any recommendations on companies I
could use.

Thanks.



--

Aamer Mahmood

Director

Shared Research Facilities

West Virginia University

Morgantown, WV



(304) 293 9418 (work)

https://sharedresearchfacilities.wvu.edu/
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From codreanu at udel.edu  Fri Dec  9 11:31:19 2022
From: codreanu at udel.edu (Iulian Codreanu)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2022 11:31:19 -0500
Subject: [labnetwork] How do you charge SBIRs?
Message-ID: <7a019716-4728-2351-0767-30fe94973973@udel.edu>

Good Morning,

As most of you probably do, I have three rate structures:
-Internal
-Other academic/government
-Corporate (for profit)

I am writing to solicit your input on how you handle SBIRs (where funds 
go from the government to a for-profit entity). Do you charge the 
government rate, the corporate rate, or something else? What rationale 
do you use when you decide? If you offer the government rate, do you 
require any "proof" that SBIR funds ate indeed used?

Thank you very much,

Iulian

-- 
iulian Codreanu, Ph.D.
Director, Nanofabrication Facility
University of Delaware
Harker ISE Lab, Room 163
221 Academy Street
Newark, DE 19716
302-831-2784
http://udnf.udel.edu



From tobi at stanford.edu  Fri Dec  9 17:34:08 2022
From: tobi at stanford.edu (Tobi Beetz)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2022 22:34:08 +0000
Subject: [labnetwork] How do you charge SBIRs?
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Hi Iulian - our center has the same rate structure that you have.  We decided to not give a SBIR discount or other incentive and charge them the full for-profit rate which is in our case 3x our internal rate. I don't view it to be the responsibility of a University research center to give financial benefits to for-profit companies that might receive SBIR grants.  I think that the SBIR grant is a great program to have and it is between the company and the government the same way that a company might have other funding sources.  When they come to us, they are a for-profit company and therefore get the corresponding rate.  Even without a lower SBIR rate, we have seen many smaller companies at our center able to drive forward their programs.  While on this topic, I also highly recommend looking into retainers, or other forms of financial insurance, for engaging with companies.  Things can turn pretty quickly ...

Cheers,

Tobi

Tobi Beetz, Ph.D.
Associate Director, Stanford Nano Shared Facilities, Stanford University, http://snsf.stanford.edu

-----Original Message-----
From: labnetwork <labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu> On Behalf Of Iulian Codreanu
Sent: Friday, December 9, 2022 8:31 AM
To: Fab Network <labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu>
Subject: [labnetwork] How do you charge SBIRs?

Good Morning,

As most of you probably do, I have three rate structures:
-Internal
-Other academic/government
-Corporate (for profit)

I am writing to solicit your input on how you handle SBIRs (where funds go from the government to a for-profit entity). Do you charge the government rate, the corporate rate, or something else? What rationale do you use when you decide? If you offer the government rate, do you require any "proof" that SBIR funds ate indeed used?

Thank you very much,

Iulian

--
iulian Codreanu, Ph.D.
Director, Nanofabrication Facility
University of Delaware
Harker ISE Lab, Room 163
221 Academy Street
Newark, DE 19716
302-831-2784
http://udnf.udel.edu


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From avanmete at gmu.edu  Fri Dec  9 19:51:47 2022
From: avanmete at gmu.edu (Amy Adams)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2022 00:51:47 +0000
Subject: [labnetwork] How do you charge SBIRs?
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Hello Lulian,
It is my understanding if they are using federal funds, you are required to charge the internal rate. Perhaps it would be beneficial for you to inquire with your Office of Sponsored Programs/Finance office to confirm about the federal requirements. 
Best Regards,
Amy


> On Dec 9, 2022, at 7:46 PM, Tobi Beetz <tobi at stanford.edu> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi Iulian - our center has the same rate structure that you have.  We decided to not give a SBIR discount or other incentive and charge them the full for-profit rate which is in our case 3x our internal rate. I don't view it to be the responsibility of a University research center to give financial benefits to for-profit companies that might receive SBIR grants.  I think that the SBIR grant is a great program to have and it is between the company and the government the same way that a company might have other funding sources.  When they come to us, they are a for-profit company and therefore get the corresponding rate.  Even without a lower SBIR rate, we have seen many smaller companies at our center able to drive forward their programs.  While on this topic, I also highly recommend looking into retainers, or other forms of financial insurance, for engaging with companies.  Things can turn pretty quickly ...
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Tobi
> 
> Tobi Beetz, Ph.D.
> Associate Director, Stanford Nano Shared Facilities, Stanford University, https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fsnsf.stanford.edu%2F&amp;data=05%7C01%7Cavanmete%40gmu.edu%7C08ed9a7cc8474384b41408dada47e7df%7C9e857255df574c47a0c00546460380cb%7C0%7C0%7C638062299631976781%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=X%2Be1MbQ1hgTsd7eDU6Kw%2FHUqmAVnLjBihkpdHyQ9pR8%3D&amp;reserved=0
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: labnetwork <labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu> On Behalf Of Iulian Codreanu
> Sent: Friday, December 9, 2022 8:31 AM
> To: Fab Network <labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu>
> Subject: [labnetwork] How do you charge SBIRs?
> 
> Good Morning,
> 
> As most of you probably do, I have three rate structures:
> -Internal
> -Other academic/government
> -Corporate (for profit)
> 
> I am writing to solicit your input on how you handle SBIRs (where funds go from the government to a for-profit entity). Do you charge the government rate, the corporate rate, or something else? What rationale do you use when you decide? If you offer the government rate, do you require any "proof" that SBIR funds ate indeed used?
> 
> Thank you very much,
> 
> Iulian
> 
> --
> iulian Codreanu, Ph.D.
> Director, Nanofabrication Facility
> University of Delaware
> Harker ISE Lab, Room 163
> 221 Academy Street
> Newark, DE 19716
> 302-831-2784
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From rgc5 at psu.edu  Sat Dec 10 08:35:57 2022
From: rgc5 at psu.edu (Cornwall, Bob)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2022 13:35:57 +0000
Subject: [labnetwork] How do you charge SBIRs?
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Iulian, 

At Penn State we are required to ask if this is government pass through and we get the grant number from the company and treat like a subcontract with internal government rates.  The government always gets the lowest rate.  If work from another university is industry funded, we use industry rates, if government funded we use internal/Govt rates.  SBIRS would receive our internal rate which is the lowest rate charged. 

Bob 

Robert Cornwall
Managing Director -
Penn State??- Materials Research Institute
rgc5 at psu.edu
C 814-571-3438
W?814-863-8735
Availability

Connect with MRI:??https://www.mri.psu.edu/opt

-----Original Message-----
From: labnetwork <labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu> On Behalf Of Iulian Codreanu
Sent: Friday, December 9, 2022 11:31 AM
To: Fab Network <labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu>
Subject: [labnetwork] How do you charge SBIRs?

Good Morning,

As most of you probably do, I have three rate structures:
-Internal
-Other academic/government
-Corporate (for profit)

I am writing to solicit your input on how you handle SBIRs (where funds go from the government to a for-profit entity). Do you charge the government rate, the corporate rate, or something else? What rationale do you use when you decide? If you offer the government rate, do you require any "proof" that SBIR funds ate indeed used?

Thank you very much,

Iulian

--
iulian Codreanu, Ph.D.
Director, Nanofabrication Facility
University of Delaware
Harker ISE Lab, Room 163
221 Academy Street
Newark, DE 19716
302-831-2784
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From cmurray at ferrologix.com  Sat Dec 10 13:03:03 2022
From: cmurray at ferrologix.com (Coleman Murray)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2022 10:03:03 -0800
Subject: [labnetwork] How do you charge SBIRs?
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Hey Lulian,
Not sure if this helps but speaking from the small business side with SBIR funds, we look for cleanrooms that don?t up charge so much and are willing to work with the internal rates. The indirect rates/up charge most universities impose are prohibitive for small business to engage with especially for phase I SBIRs. I believe U of A has a nice approach where they have reduced indirects for phase I and slightly higher rates for phase II SBIRs. 

In our experience the up charge many academic cleanrooms were quoting led us to working with commercial partners instead because the cost for our process wasn?t that different and they had better scaling capacity.

Best,
Coleman Murray, Ph.D.

> On Dec 10, 2022, at 9:06 AM, Cornwall, Bob <rgc5 at psu.edu> wrote:
> 
> ?Iulian, 
> 
> At Penn State we are required to ask if this is government pass through and we get the grant number from the company and treat like a subcontract with internal government rates.  The government always gets the lowest rate.  If work from another university is industry funded, we use industry rates, if government funded we use internal/Govt rates.  SBIRS would receive our internal rate which is the lowest rate charged. 
> 
> Bob 
> 
> Robert Cornwall
> Managing Director -
> Penn State  - Materials Research Institute
> rgc5 at psu.edu
> C 814-571-3438
> W 814-863-8735
> Availability
> 
> Connect with MRI:  https://www.mri.psu.edu/opt
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: labnetwork <labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu> On Behalf Of Iulian Codreanu
> Sent: Friday, December 9, 2022 11:31 AM
> To: Fab Network <labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu>
> Subject: [labnetwork] How do you charge SBIRs?
> 
> Good Morning,
> 
> As most of you probably do, I have three rate structures:
> -Internal
> -Other academic/government
> -Corporate (for profit)
> 
> I am writing to solicit your input on how you handle SBIRs (where funds go from the government to a for-profit entity). Do you charge the government rate, the corporate rate, or something else? What rationale do you use when you decide? If you offer the government rate, do you require any "proof" that SBIR funds ate indeed used?
> 
> Thank you very much,
> 
> Iulian
> 
> --
> iulian Codreanu, Ph.D.
> Director, Nanofabrication Facility
> University of Delaware
> Harker ISE Lab, Room 163
> 221 Academy Street
> Newark, DE 19716
> 302-831-2784
> https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fudnf.udel.edu%2F&amp;data=05%7C01%7Crgc5%40psu.EDU%7Cd1ec3a9823f541aac90108dada267881%7C7cf48d453ddb4389a9c1c115526eb52e%7C0%7C0%7C638062156007837446%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=C4eUXP9MO%2Ft5GQhjV0fQzOi0TXRRQuGYvPjmaNb%2BmVE%3D&amp;reserved=0
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From rgc5 at psu.edu  Sat Dec 10 13:33:50 2022
From: rgc5 at psu.edu (Cornwall, Bob)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2022 18:33:50 +0000
Subject: [labnetwork] How do you charge SBIRs?
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For us and working with companies, whether small or large depends on the source of the money. If it?s by IR&D money it?s at the external corporate rates if it?s government pass-through in any way, shape or form it?s the internally approved rates because that is what is required by the government the government always gets the lowest rate offered.

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Hey Lulian,
Not sure if this helps but speaking from the small business side with SBIR funds, we look for cleanrooms that don?t up charge so much and are willing to work with the internal rates. The indirect rates/up charge most universities impose are prohibitive for small business to engage with especially for phase I SBIRs. I believe U of A has a nice approach where they have reduced indirects for phase I and slightly higher rates for phase II SBIRs.

In our experience the up charge many academic cleanrooms were quoting led us to working with commercial partners instead because the cost for our process wasn?t that different and they had better scaling capacity.

Best,
Coleman Murray, Ph.D.

On Dec 10, 2022, at 9:06 AM, Cornwall, Bob <rgc5 at psu.edu> wrote:

?Iulian,

At Penn State we are required to ask if this is government pass through and we get the grant number from the company and treat like a subcontract with internal government rates.  The government always gets the lowest rate.  If work from another university is industry funded, we use industry rates, if government funded we use internal/Govt rates.  SBIRS would receive our internal rate which is the lowest rate charged.

Bob

Robert Cornwall
Managing Director -
Penn State  - Materials Research Institute
rgc5 at psu.edu
C 814-571-3438
W 814-863-8735
Availability

Connect with MRI:  https://www.mri.psu.edu/opt

-----Original Message-----
From: labnetwork <labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu> On Behalf Of Iulian Codreanu
Sent: Friday, December 9, 2022 11:31 AM
To: Fab Network <labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu>
Subject: [labnetwork] How do you charge SBIRs?

Good Morning,

As most of you probably do, I have three rate structures:
-Internal
-Other academic/government
-Corporate (for profit)

I am writing to solicit your input on how you handle SBIRs (where funds go from the government to a for-profit entity). Do you charge the government rate, the corporate rate, or something else? What rationale do you use when you decide? If you offer the government rate, do you require any "proof" that SBIR funds ate indeed used?

Thank you very much,

Iulian

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Director, Nanofabrication Facility
University of Delaware
Harker ISE Lab, Room 163
221 Academy Street
Newark, DE 19716
302-831-2784
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From julia.aebersold at louisville.edu  Mon Dec 12 13:33:42 2022
From: julia.aebersold at louisville.edu (Aebersold, Julia)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2022 18:33:42 +0000
Subject: [labnetwork] How do you charge SBIRs?
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Coleman, I understand and appreciate your comments, however, most of us are prohibited from charging external companies our internal rates.  Internal rates have taken into account F&A already charged to grants used by internal researchers.  Also, most academic cleanrooms are subsidized and would have to triple their rates or higher to cover all of their operational costs.

Cheers!

Julia Aebersold, Ph.D.
Manager, Micro/Nano Technology Center
University of Louisville
Shumaker Research Building, Room 233
2210 South Brook Street
Louisville, KY  40292
(502) 852-1572

http://louisville.edu/micronano/

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Hey Lulian,
Not sure if this helps but speaking from the small business side with SBIR funds, we look for cleanrooms that don?t up charge so much and are willing to work with the internal rates. The indirect rates/up charge most universities impose are prohibitive for small business to engage with especially for phase I SBIRs. I believe U of A has a nice approach where they have reduced indirects for phase I and slightly higher rates for phase II SBIRs.

In our experience the up charge many academic cleanrooms were quoting led us to working with commercial partners instead because the cost for our process wasn?t that different and they had better scaling capacity.
Best,
Coleman Murray, Ph.D.


On Dec 10, 2022, at 9:06 AM, Cornwall, Bob <rgc5 at psu.edu<mailto:rgc5 at psu.edu>> wrote:
?Iulian,

At Penn State we are required to ask if this is government pass through and we get the grant number from the company and treat like a subcontract with internal government rates.  The government always gets the lowest rate.  If work from another university is industry funded, we use industry rates, if government funded we use internal/Govt rates.  SBIRS would receive our internal rate which is the lowest rate charged.

Bob

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From: labnetwork <labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu<mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu>> On Behalf Of Iulian Codreanu
Sent: Friday, December 9, 2022 11:31 AM
To: Fab Network <labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu<mailto:labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu>>
Subject: [labnetwork] How do you charge SBIRs?

Good Morning,

As most of you probably do, I have three rate structures:
-Internal
-Other academic/government
-Corporate (for profit)

I am writing to solicit your input on how you handle SBIRs (where funds go from the government to a for-profit entity). Do you charge the government rate, the corporate rate, or something else? What rationale do you use when you decide? If you offer the government rate, do you require any "proof" that SBIR funds ate indeed used?

Thank you very much,

Iulian

--
iulian Codreanu, Ph.D.
Director, Nanofabrication Facility
University of Delaware
Harker ISE Lab, Room 163
221 Academy Street
Newark, DE 19716
302-831-2784
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From sieb at 4dlabs.ca  Mon Dec 12 20:30:22 2022
From: sieb at 4dlabs.ca (Nathanael Sieb)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2022 17:30:22 -0800
Subject: [labnetwork] TPU and AWN for sale/free
Message-ID: <381e0d9e-263f-f956-13c4-cb7b451aec3c@4dlabs.ca>

Hi all,

We have decommissioned our TPU and AWN that we had supporting our 
furnace.? The TPU was giving us continual errors that didn't make sense 
and we couldn't fix it, but maybe you could.? The AWN was working when 
we last used it, but we disassembled it to bring it out of our service 
chase.? For our facility it didn't make sense for us to keep operating 
these systems, but they might help you! Or maybe they're useful for parts.

I've attached a few photos of the systems.? If you're interested, please 
send me an email (sieb at 4dlabs.ca).

Thanks,
Nathanael


*Nathanael Sieb *
Director of Operations and Administration ?| 4D LABS 
<http://www.4dlabs.ca/>
Simon Fraser University
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From codreanu at udel.edu  Thu Dec 15 14:29:29 2022
From: codreanu at udel.edu (Iulian Codreanu)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2022 14:29:29 -0500
Subject: [labnetwork] How do you charge SBIRs?
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I would like to thank those who have provided input.

To summarize for the benefit of the group:
-Four labs charge SBIRs the corporate (for profit) rate
-One lab offers rates that are slightly lower than the full corporate rate
-One lab charges SBIRs the internal rate.

Happy Holidays!

Iulian


iulian Codreanu, Ph.D.
Director, Nanofabrication Facility
University of Delaware
Harker ISE Lab, Room 163
221 Academy Street
Newark, DE 19716
302-831-2784
http://udnf.udel.edu

On 12/9/2022 11:31 AM, Iulian Codreanu wrote:
> Good Morning,
>
> As most of you probably do, I have three rate structures:
> -Internal
> -Other academic/government
> -Corporate (for profit)
>
> I am writing to solicit your input on how you handle SBIRs (where 
> funds go from the government to a for-profit entity). Do you charge 
> the government rate, the corporate rate, or something else? What 
> rationale do you use when you decide? If you offer the government 
> rate, do you require any "proof" that SBIR funds ate indeed used?
>
> Thank you very much,
>
> Iulian
>



From rob.breisch at trilliumus.com  Tue Dec 20 09:22:05 2022
From: rob.breisch at trilliumus.com (Rob Breisch)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2022 14:22:05 +0000
Subject: [labnetwork] Adixen/Pfeiffer ADP122 Pumps
Message-ID: <9973C6784F21124B9C9CD4FD39EA8D8403304072DD@MAIL02.trilliumsubfab.com>

Hello Labnetwork Group -

We have a customer who would like to dispose of Qty 2 ADP122 vacuum pumps.  I believe they are ADP122Ps.  I suggested in lieu of them being scrapped, a University might be interested in giving them a new home, especially

If you have any interest, I can provide your contact information to the customer so you can work with them directly.  They are in Illinois if you have any concerns over shipping cost/distance.

Please advise if interested.

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From jdeng at cns.fas.harvard.edu  Wed Dec 21 15:04:00 2022
From: jdeng at cns.fas.harvard.edu (Deng, Jiangdong)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2022 20:04:00 +0000
Subject: [labnetwork] Cleanroom Equipment Engineer Position at CNS of
 Harvard University
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Hi, Dear All,

Center for Nanoscale Systems (CNS) of Harvard University is looking for an experienced cleanroom equipment engineer. A direct link to the posting can be found here: https://bit.ly/3W6rQvj.

Please feel free to share with your network and/or on any department sites.

Happy holidays and best wishes to you and your family for the new year!


-JD

-- Jiangdong Deng (JD), Ph. D
Associate Director,
Center for Nanoscale Systems
Head of Nanofabrication Facility,
Harvard University,
11 Oxford St., LISE-G54,
Cambridge, MA 02138
Tel: 617-495-3396






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From reinekeb at msopb.de  Thu Dec 22 05:49:58 2022
From: reinekeb at msopb.de (Bernhard Johannes Reineke)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2022 10:49:58 +0000
Subject: [labnetwork] Schedule Tool/Booking Tool
Message-ID: <AM8PR04MB8018D3B64EDDA4CC7A88678DAFE89@AM8PR04MB8018.eurprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Hi all,

For our cleanroom we need a new tool for the users to book the machines. Does anyone have a good solution for this problem?
- The user should be able to book a specific machine for a specific period of time.
- Also, it would be good if we could link the tool to the university ID service so that everyone can log into the software with their university login.
- The administrator should be able to define how often and how long a user can book a machine, e.g. user Alice can book a machine for 4 hours a day, but not more than 12 hours per week in total.
- It would be great if you could limit the time slots for the machines. For example, the dry etcher can only be used from 8:00-10:00, 10:00-12:00, 12:00-14:00, and so on.
- We would like to create analytics about how often machines are booked, how often a certain group of people uses a machine and so on.
- Self-hosted in our university's data center is a must.


Right now we are using "Booked", but I wanted to know if you know any other software solutions.

Thanks in advance and I wish you all happy holidays!!!


Best wishes,


Bernhard Reineke Matsudo
Phoqs Infrastruture
University of Paderborn
Warburger Street 100
33098 Paderborn
Germany
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From kevin.l.denis at nasa.gov  Thu Dec 22 07:55:52 2022
From: kevin.l.denis at nasa.gov (Denis, Kevin L. (GSFC-5530))
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2022 12:55:52 +0000
Subject: [labnetwork] CDA cleanliness verification
Message-ID: <SA1PR09MB8606C55C58FBFFFF7E432C4DD1E89@SA1PR09MB8606.namprd09.prod.outlook.com>

Hello All,
Following up on the great advice provided on use of copper piping for CDA.  I am curious if anyone can provide a reference for a testing laboratory for measurement of CDA purity.  In particular we are looking to verify low levels of organics (10ug/m3) and inorganics NH4+ and SOx (5ug/m3).

We would prefer a vendor in the mid-atlantic region but any references you would provide would be very helpful.

Thanks, and hope everyone has a nice holiday.

Kevin


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From lopezg at seas.upenn.edu  Thu Dec 22 08:05:33 2022
From: lopezg at seas.upenn.edu (Gerald Lopez)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2022 08:05:33 -0500
Subject: [labnetwork] Schedule Tool/Booking Tool
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You might want to look into NEMO:
https://github.com/usnistgov/NEMO

Best,
Gerald-

Director of Operations and Business Development
Singh Center for Nanotechnology


--
from my phone

On Thu, Dec 22, 2022, 7:57 AM Bernhard Johannes Reineke <reinekeb at msopb.de>
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
>
>
> For our cleanroom we need a new tool for the users to book the machines.
> Does anyone have a good solution for this problem?
>
> - The user should be able to book a specific machine for a specific period
> of time.
>
> - Also, it would be good if we could link the tool to the university ID
> service so that everyone can log into the software with their university
> login.
>
> - The administrator should be able to define how often and how long a user
> can book a machine, e.g. user Alice can book a machine for 4 hours a day,
> but not more than 12 hours per week in total.
>
> - It would be great if you could limit the time slots for the machines.
> For example, the dry etcher can only be used from 8:00-10:00, 10:00-12:00,
> 12:00-14:00, and so on.
>
> - We would like to create analytics about how often machines are booked,
> how often a certain group of people uses a machine and so on.
>
> - Self-hosted in our university's data center is a must.
>
>
>
>
>
> Right now we are using "Booked", but I wanted to know if you know any
> other software solutions.
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance and I wish you all happy holidays!!!
>
>
>
>
>
> Best wishes,
>
>
>
>
>
> Bernhard Reineke Matsudo
>
> Phoqs Infrastruture
>
> University of Paderborn
>
> Warburger Street 100
>
> 33098 Paderborn
>
> Germany
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From jtmitch5 at ncsu.edu  Thu Dec 22 08:10:51 2022
From: jtmitch5 at ncsu.edu (James Mitchell)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2022 08:10:51 -0500
Subject: [labnetwork] Schedule Tool/Booking Tool
In-Reply-To: <AM8PR04MB8018D3B64EDDA4CC7A88678DAFE89@AM8PR04MB8018.eurprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <AM8PR04MB8018D3B64EDDA4CC7A88678DAFE89@AM8PR04MB8018.eurprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAEXS_M9AGaWcdTVSkZeeDq=uAt8jAQAEYqFhDq6wgT8yJdyF=w@mail.gmail.com>

We use Mendix, a cloud based system.
This does scheduling, billing and hardware interlocks.
https://support.labs.ncsu.edu/

On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 7:55 AM Bernhard Johannes Reineke <reinekeb at msopb.de>
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
>
>
> For our cleanroom we need a new tool for the users to book the machines.
> Does anyone have a good solution for this problem?
>
> - The user should be able to book a specific machine for a specific period
> of time.
>
> - Also, it would be good if we could link the tool to the university ID
> service so that everyone can log into the software with their university
> login.
>
> - The administrator should be able to define how often and how long a user
> can book a machine, e.g. user Alice can book a machine for 4 hours a day,
> but not more than 12 hours per week in total.
>
> - It would be great if you could limit the time slots for the machines.
> For example, the dry etcher can only be used from 8:00-10:00, 10:00-12:00,
> 12:00-14:00, and so on.
>
> - We would like to create analytics about how often machines are booked,
> how often a certain group of people uses a machine and so on.
>
> - Self-hosted in our university's data center is a must.
>
>
>
>
>
> Right now we are using "Booked", but I wanted to know if you know any
> other software solutions.
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance and I wish you all happy holidays!!!
>
>
>
>
>
> Best wishes,
>
>
>
>
>
> Bernhard Reineke Matsudo
>
> Phoqs Infrastruture
>
> University of Paderborn
>
> Warburger Street 100
>
> 33098 Paderborn
>
> Germany
> _______________________________________________
> labnetwork mailing list
> labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu
> https://mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork
>


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From codreanu at udel.edu  Thu Dec 22 08:40:00 2022
From: codreanu at udel.edu (Iulian Codreanu)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2022 08:40:00 -0500
Subject: [labnetwork] Schedule Tool/Booking Tool
In-Reply-To: <AM8PR04MB8018D3B64EDDA4CC7A88678DAFE89@AM8PR04MB8018.eurprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <AM8PR04MB8018D3B64EDDA4CC7A88678DAFE89@AM8PR04MB8018.eurprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <dae0f406-b7af-97e1-74a7-ea91d645412a@udel.edu>

Hi Bernhard,

FOM Networks offers an affordable solution that will meet your needs. 
I've been happy using it for the past 10 years and the folks who develop 
the system are very approachable and helpful.

http://www.FOMNetworks.com/ <http://www.fomnetworks.com/>

Cheers,

Iulian

iulian Codreanu, Ph.D.
Director, Nanofabrication Facility
University of Delaware
Harker ISE Lab, Room 163
221 Academy Street
Newark, DE 19716
302-831-2784
http://udnf.udel.edu

On 12/22/2022 5:49 AM, Bernhard Johannes Reineke wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> For our cleanroom we need a new tool for the users to book the 
> machines. Does anyone have a good solution for this problem?
>
> - The user should be able to book a specific machine for a specific 
> period of time.
>
> - Also, it would be good if we could link the tool to the university 
> ID service so that everyone can log into the software with their 
> university login.
>
> - The administrator should be able to define how often and how long a 
> user can book a machine, e.g. user Alice can book a machine for 4 
> hours a day, but not more than 12 hours per week in total.
>
> - It would be great if you could limit the time slots for the 
> machines. For example, the dry etcher can only be used from 
> 8:00-10:00, 10:00-12:00, 12:00-14:00, and so on.
>
> - We would like to create analytics about how often machines are 
> booked, how often a certain group of people uses a machine and so on.
>
> - Self-hosted in our university's data center is a must.
>
> Right now we are using "Booked", but I wanted to know if you know any 
> other software solutions.
>
> Thanks in advance and I wish you all happy holidays!!!
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Bernhard Reineke Matsudo
>
> Phoqs Infrastruture
>
> University of Paderborn
>
> Warburger Street 100
>
> 33098 Paderborn
>
> Germany
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> labnetwork mailing list
> labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu
> https://mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork
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From m.rampant at prometheuscomputing.com  Thu Dec 22 08:41:46 2022
From: m.rampant at prometheuscomputing.com (Mathieu Rampant)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2022 08:41:46 -0500
Subject: [labnetwork] Schedule Tool/Booking Tool
In-Reply-To: <AM8PR04MB8018D3B64EDDA4CC7A88678DAFE89@AM8PR04MB8018.eurprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <AM8PR04MB8018D3B64EDDA4CC7A88678DAFE89@AM8PR04MB8018.eurprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CALW5w039GNvnN-BswTaEBLb8YqasEp7ASx8nYPjnfOi9NuTv7g@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Bernhard,
The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) created an open
source application called NEMO <https://github.com/usnistgov/NEMO>
(developed in house) specifically designed for lab management. It can do
everything you are asking for!

It is self hosted and very active with new releases, bug fixes and security
patches about every month.
You can check it out on the demo site and play around with it at
https://nemo.nist.gov/demo
Instructions on how to use the demo site (switch between different user
types etc.) can be found here: https://github.com/usnistgov/NEMO#online-demo

There are also plugins available for authentication and billing, a strong
community presence and you can use Github discussions
<https://github.com/usnistgov/NEMO/discussions> or the Google group
<https://groups.google.com/a/list.nist.gov/g/nemo> to ask any questions

It can also be set up with physical interlocks for enabling/disabling
tools, badge readers and tablets for entering/exiting the Cleanroom (or any
access controlled area) and a Kiosk tablet for selecting tools. It can even
be set up with sensors to monitor temp/humidity

There are so many features it would be hard to list them all here, but feel
free to check out the extensive Feature Manual
<https://github.com/usnistgov/NEMO/raw/master/documentation/NEMO_Feature_Manual.pdf>
if you are looking for something in particular.

Commercial support for installation, maintenance or custom plugin
development is also available through Atlantis Labs
<http://www.atlantislabs.io> should you need extra help!

Feel free to contact me with any questions at
mathieu.rampant at atlantislabs.io

(Full disclosure, I am the lead developer of NEMO and co-founder of
Atlantis Labs)

Thanks,
Mathieu


On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 7:57 AM Bernhard Johannes Reineke <reinekeb at msopb.de>
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
>
>
> For our cleanroom we need a new tool for the users to book the machines.
> Does anyone have a good solution for this problem?
>
> - The user should be able to book a specific machine for a specific period
> of time.
>
> - Also, it would be good if we could link the tool to the university ID
> service so that everyone can log into the software with their university
> login.
>
> - The administrator should be able to define how often and how long a user
> can book a machine, e.g. user Alice can book a machine for 4 hours a day,
> but not more than 12 hours per week in total.
>
> - It would be great if you could limit the time slots for the machines.
> For example, the dry etcher can only be used from 8:00-10:00, 10:00-12:00,
> 12:00-14:00, and so on.
>
> - We would like to create analytics about how often machines are booked,
> how often a certain group of people uses a machine and so on.
>
> - Self-hosted in our university's data center is a must.
>
>
>
>
>
> Right now we are using "Booked", but I wanted to know if you know any
> other software solutions.
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance and I wish you all happy holidays!!!
>
>
>
>
>
> Best wishes,
>
>
>
>
>
> Bernhard Reineke Matsudo
>
> Phoqs Infrastruture
>
> University of Paderborn
>
> Warburger Street 100
>
> 33098 Paderborn
>
> Germany
> _______________________________________________
> labnetwork mailing list
> labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu
> https://mtl.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo.cgi/labnetwork
>


-- 
Mathieu Rampant
Software Architect
NEMO Project Lead
Prometheus Computing LLC
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From Howard.Northfield at uottawa.ca  Thu Dec 22 09:55:13 2022
From: Howard.Northfield at uottawa.ca (Howard Northfield)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2022 14:55:13 +0000
Subject: [labnetwork] Schedule Tool/Booking Tool
In-Reply-To: <AM8PR04MB8018D3B64EDDA4CC7A88678DAFE89@AM8PR04MB8018.eurprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <AM8PR04MB8018D3B64EDDA4CC7A88678DAFE89@AM8PR04MB8018.eurprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <QB1PR01MB302524EAE9FBE68DE195D9FC9FE89@QB1PR01MB3025.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>



We use Skedda.  An online application. Works well enough for us.

Howard Northfield
Research Associate
Advanced Research Complex (ARC)
University of Ottawa
________________________________
From: labnetwork <labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu> on behalf of Bernhard Johannes Reineke <reinekeb at msopb.de>
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2022 5:49 AM
To: labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu <labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu>
Subject: [labnetwork] Schedule Tool/Booking Tool

Attention : courriel externe | external email

Hi all,



For our cleanroom we need a new tool for the users to book the machines. Does anyone have a good solution for this problem?

- The user should be able to book a specific machine for a specific period of time.

- Also, it would be good if we could link the tool to the university ID service so that everyone can log into the software with their university login.

- The administrator should be able to define how often and how long a user can book a machine, e.g. user Alice can book a machine for 4 hours a day, but not more than 12 hours per week in total.

- It would be great if you could limit the time slots for the machines. For example, the dry etcher can only be used from 8:00-10:00, 10:00-12:00, 12:00-14:00, and so on.

- We would like to create analytics about how often machines are booked, how often a certain group of people uses a machine and so on.

- Self-hosted in our university's data center is a must.





Right now we are using "Booked", but I wanted to know if you know any other software solutions.



Thanks in advance and I wish you all happy holidays!!!





Best wishes,





Bernhard Reineke Matsudo

Phoqs Infrastruture

University of Paderborn

Warburger Street 100

33098 Paderborn

Germany
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From kevin.l.denis at nasa.gov  Thu Dec 22 11:05:38 2022
From: kevin.l.denis at nasa.gov (Denis, Kevin L. (GSFC-5530))
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2022 16:05:38 +0000
Subject: [labnetwork] [EXTERNAL]  Schedule Tool/Booking Tool
In-Reply-To: <AM8PR04MB8018D3B64EDDA4CC7A88678DAFE89@AM8PR04MB8018.eurprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <AM8PR04MB8018D3B64EDDA4CC7A88678DAFE89@AM8PR04MB8018.eurprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <SA1PR09MB8606972E20A7613F1E6E40E9D1E89@SA1PR09MB8606.namprd09.prod.outlook.com>

Hello Bernhard,
NIST Gaithersburg nanofab has developed the NEMO system. It is available free on github:

GitHub - usnistgov/NEMO: NEMO is a laboratory logistics web application. Use it to schedule reservations, control tool access, track maintenance issues, and more.<https://github.com/usnistgov/NEMO>

Regards,
Kevin




From: labnetwork <labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu> On Behalf Of Bernhard Johannes Reineke
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2022 5:50 AM
To: labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu
Subject: [EXTERNAL] [labnetwork] Schedule Tool/Booking Tool

Hi all,

For our cleanroom we need a new tool for the users to book the machines. Does anyone have a good solution for this problem?
- The user should be able to book a specific machine for a specific period of time.
- Also, it would be good if we could link the tool to the university ID service so that everyone can log into the software with their university login.
- The administrator should be able to define how often and how long a user can book a machine, e.g. user Alice can book a machine for 4 hours a day, but not more than 12 hours per week in total.
- It would be great if you could limit the time slots for the machines. For example, the dry etcher can only be used from 8:00-10:00, 10:00-12:00, 12:00-14:00, and so on.
- We would like to create analytics about how often machines are booked, how often a certain group of people uses a machine and so on.
- Self-hosted in our university's data center is a must.


Right now we are using "Booked", but I wanted to know if you know any other software solutions.

Thanks in advance and I wish you all happy holidays!!!


Best wishes,


Bernhard Reineke Matsudo
Phoqs Infrastruture
University of Paderborn
Warburger Street 100
33098 Paderborn
Germany
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From robert.ilic at nist.gov  Thu Dec 22 12:03:28 2022
From: robert.ilic at nist.gov (Ilic, Robert (Fed))
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2022 17:03:28 +0000
Subject: [labnetwork] Schedule Tool/Booking Tool
In-Reply-To: <AM8PR04MB8018D3B64EDDA4CC7A88678DAFE89@AM8PR04MB8018.eurprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <AM8PR04MB8018D3B64EDDA4CC7A88678DAFE89@AM8PR04MB8018.eurprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <DM6PR09MB5928AC63E8639560BEEA505997E89@DM6PR09MB5928.namprd09.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Bernhard,
At NIST we've built a software package called NEMO for managing equipment reservations, control access to tools, and streamline logistics. The package is open source and is available at https://github.com/usnistgov/NEMO
There is also an online demo version you can try at https://nemo.nist.gov/demo.
Take a look and let me know if you have any questions.
Regards,
Rob

B. Robert Ilic, PhD
National Institute of Standards and Technology, Physical Measurement Laboratory
Physicist - Microsystems and Nanotechnology Division
Group Leader and Manager - Center for Nanoscale Science and Technology NanoFab
100 Bureau Drive, Mail Stop 6201, Building 216
Gaithersburg, MD 20899
(301) 975-3712
robert.ilic at nist.gov<mailto:robert.ilic at nist.gov>
https://www.nist.gov/cnst
http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=FxzEsBQAAAAJ&hl=en

From: labnetwork <labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu> On Behalf Of Bernhard Johannes Reineke
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2022 5:50 AM
To: labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu
Subject: [labnetwork] Schedule Tool/Booking Tool

Hi all,

For our cleanroom we need a new tool for the users to book the machines. Does anyone have a good solution for this problem?
- The user should be able to book a specific machine for a specific period of time.
- Also, it would be good if we could link the tool to the university ID service so that everyone can log into the software with their university login.
- The administrator should be able to define how often and how long a user can book a machine, e.g. user Alice can book a machine for 4 hours a day, but not more than 12 hours per week in total.
- It would be great if you could limit the time slots for the machines. For example, the dry etcher can only be used from 8:00-10:00, 10:00-12:00, 12:00-14:00, and so on.
- We would like to create analytics about how often machines are booked, how often a certain group of people uses a machine and so on.
- Self-hosted in our university's data center is a must.


Right now we are using "Booked", but I wanted to know if you know any other software solutions.

Thanks in advance and I wish you all happy holidays!!!


Best wishes,


Bernhard Reineke Matsudo
Phoqs Infrastruture
University of Paderborn
Warburger Street 100
33098 Paderborn
Germany
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From kckeenan at seas.upenn.edu  Thu Dec 22 13:53:07 2022
From: kckeenan at seas.upenn.edu (Kyle Keenan)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2022 13:53:07 -0500
Subject: [labnetwork] FREE Verteq 1600 Super Clean SRD's
Message-ID: <CAGTqYdE-kr=t5J762od9KZT3mP59xm5xq9cX1uACHxJmG0Gucg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,

Free to a good home: all of the SRD's seen in the attached pictures, plus
other parts not pictured (rotors *not* included). One unit is known to be
working, another should only need a repaired controller board, of which we
have two. In theory, a third unit could be made to work with the remaining
repaired control board. The rest would be for spare parts.

The lab that ends up with these units will need to arrange pickup (and
crating/shipping, if you are not picking them up yourself). If these are
not removed from our facility by 1/31/23, they will be responsibly
recycled. Preference will be given to the first group willing to take all
of the units.

Please let me know if you are interested.

Happy Holidays
-- 
[image: IMG_2312.JPG]
[image: IMG_2310.JPG]
[image: IMG_2311.JPG]

Kyle Keenan

Senior Manager - Laboratory Operations
Quattrone Nanofabrication Facility
University of Pennsylvania
P: 215-898-7560
F: 215-573-4925
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From shuyou at fomnetworks.com  Thu Dec 22 13:55:03 2022
From: shuyou at fomnetworks.com (Shuyou Li)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2022 18:55:03 +0000
Subject: [labnetwork] Schedule Tool/Booking Tool
In-Reply-To: <AM8PR04MB8018D3B64EDDA4CC7A88678DAFE89@AM8PR04MB8018.eurprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <AM8PR04MB8018D3B64EDDA4CC7A88678DAFE89@AM8PR04MB8018.eurprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <DM5PR04MB09721E6955F908149E260DB5D1E89@DM5PR04MB0972.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

[DISCLAIMER] I am the owner of FOM Networks, Inc and this post is related to a commercial product of the company.

Hi Bernhard,

I believe my company's product Facility Online Manager (FOM) perfectly fits your requirements. Please read on to see your listed items being addressed one by one:


- The user should be able to book a specific machine for a specific period of time.

Yes, this is supported by FOM out of the box, even with the free-hosted license.


- Also, it would be good if we could link the tool to the university ID service so that everyone can log into the software with their university login.

This is also supported by FOM.


- The administrator should be able to define how often and how long a user can book a machine, e.g. user Alice can book a machine for 4 hours a day, but not more than 12 hours per week in total.

Yes, FOM provides a lot of configurable parameters you can set for each individual instrument, including the limit per day and limit per week you mentioned, out of the box, even with the free-hosted version.


- It would be great if you could limit the time slots for the machines. For example, the dry etcher can only be used from 8:00-10:00, 10:00-12:00, 12:00-14:00, and so on.

With FOM, you can define the schedule increment to be 2 hours (or any other value) of an instrument, then the instrument calendar will show reservation time slots to be 8-10, 10-12, etc.


- We would like to create analytics about how often machines are booked, how often a certain group of people uses a machine and so on.

FOM provides a lot of statistic reports out of the box. The reports you mentioned are included. In addition, FOM also provides customization programming. Any and all parts of the FOM system are fully supported 24/7 and can be customized with a reasonable customization rate ($50/hr for standard license, and $150/hr for enterprise license).


- Self-hosted in our university's data center is a must.

FOM offers flexible hosting solutions. You may choose shared on-cloud service, dedicated on-cloud server, or self-hosted local server.

You may check out a comparison of the four license types that we provide from free-hosted license to enterprise at https://fomnetworks.com/compare_licenses

We also provide a sandbox system online at https://trial.fomnetworks.com where you can test and see how FOM works, please contact me off the mailing list if you need test username/password.

Thanks,
Shuyou
--
Shuyou Li, Ph.D.
FOM Networks, Inc.
www.fomnetworks.com<http://www.fomnetworks.com/>
Ph: (224) 225-9168<tel:%28224%29%C2%A0225-9168>
Email: shuyou at fomnetworks.com
Zoom: https://us02web.zoom.us/j/2242259168




________________________________
From: labnetwork <labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu> on behalf of Bernhard Johannes Reineke <reinekeb at msopb.de>
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2022 4:49 AM
To: labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu <labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu>
Subject: [labnetwork] Schedule Tool/Booking Tool


Hi all,



For our cleanroom we need a new tool for the users to book the machines. Does anyone have a good solution for this problem?

- The user should be able to book a specific machine for a specific period of time.

- Also, it would be good if we could link the tool to the university ID service so that everyone can log into the software with their university login.

- The administrator should be able to define how often and how long a user can book a machine, e.g. user Alice can book a machine for 4 hours a day, but not more than 12 hours per week in total.

- It would be great if you could limit the time slots for the machines. For example, the dry etcher can only be used from 8:00-10:00, 10:00-12:00, 12:00-14:00, and so on.

- We would like to create analytics about how often machines are booked, how often a certain group of people uses a machine and so on.

- Self-hosted in our university's data center is a must.





Right now we are using "Booked", but I wanted to know if you know any other software solutions.



Thanks in advance and I wish you all happy holidays!!!





Best wishes,





Bernhard Reineke Matsudo

Phoqs Infrastruture

University of Paderborn

Warburger Street 100

33098 Paderborn

Germany
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From tkimoto at caltech.edu  Thu Dec 22 15:29:07 2022
From: tkimoto at caltech.edu (Kimoto, Tiffany N.)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2022 20:29:07 +0000
Subject: [labnetwork] Schedule Tool/Booking Tool
References: <AM8PR04MB8018D3B64EDDA4CC7A88678DAFE89@AM8PR04MB8018.eurprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <B8EA9B94-EA06-430E-BF83-4610650BCB83@caltech.edu>

Hello Bernhard,

We are in the process of switching over to a company called Priority Software. Their product FBS does exactly what you?re looking for (and more). After extensive questioning and demoing by us and Caltech?s Information Security dept., I can confidently say that their team is incredibly helpful and competent. Pricing for academic institutions is very good compared to what I found elsewhere. If you want more information, you can reach out to global sales manager Dana Smith Dana at PrioritySoftware.com<mailto:Dana at PrioritySoftware.com>.

Best,
Tiffany

Tiffany Kimoto (she/her) | Executive Director
The Kavli Nanoscience Institute | kni.caltech.edu<https://kni.caltech.edu/> | lab.kni.caltech.edu<http://www.lab.kni.caltech.edu/>
Caltech | MC 107-81 | (626) 395-3914


On Dec 22, 2022, at 4:59 AM, Bernhard Johannes Reineke <reinekeb at msopb.de> wrote:
Hi all,

For our cleanroom we need a new tool for the users to book the machines. Does anyone have a good solution for this problem?
- The user should be able to book a specific machine for a specific period of time.
- Also, it would be good if we could link the tool to the university ID service so that everyone can log into the software with their university login.
- The administrator should be able to define how often and how long a user can book a machine, e.g. user Alice can book a machine for 4 hours a day, but not more than 12 hours per week in total.
- It would be great if you could limit the time slots for the machines. For example, the dry etcher can only be used from 8:00-10:00, 10:00-12:00, 12:00-14:00, and so on.
- We would like to create analytics about how often machines are booked, how often a certain group of people uses a machine and so on.
- Self-hosted in our university's data center is a must.


Right now we are using "Booked", but I wanted to know if you know any other software solutions.

Thanks in advance and I wish you all happy holidays!!!


Best wishes,


Bernhard Reineke Matsudo
Phoqs Infrastruture
University of Paderborn
Warburger Street 100
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From dwolff at nelhydrogen.com  Fri Dec 23 06:21:18 2022
From: dwolff at nelhydrogen.com (David Wolff)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2022 11:21:18 +0000
Subject: [labnetwork] CDA cleanliness verification
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We routinely use Atlantic Analytical Laboratory - Whitehouse NJ<https://protononsite.lightning.force.com/lightning/r/Account/00170000011MQZ6AAO/view> (www.atlanticanalytical.com<https://www.atlanticanalytical.com/>) for hydrogen analyses.  Suggest you contact them.

Dave Wolff
Region Sales Manager

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From: labnetwork <labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu> On Behalf Of Denis, Kevin L. (GSFC-5530)
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2022 07:56
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Subject: [labnetwork] CDA cleanliness verification

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Hello All,
Following up on the great advice provided on use of copper piping for CDA.  I am curious if anyone can provide a reference for a testing laboratory for measurement of CDA purity.  In particular we are looking to verify low levels of organics (10ug/m3) and inorganics NH4+ and SOx (5ug/m3).

We would prefer a vendor in the mid-atlantic region but any references you would provide would be very helpful.

Thanks, and hope everyone has a nice holiday.

Kevin


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From johnboyle at fast.net  Fri Dec 23 10:25:49 2022
From: johnboyle at fast.net (johnboyle)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2022 10:25:49 -0500
Subject: [labnetwork] CDA cleanliness verification
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Atlantic is the analytic company I refer clients to and Atlantic has been the independent lab certifying Air Products gas product purity for many years. I believe other other gas suppliers use them as well.John BoyleSent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
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We routinely use 
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Dave Wolff
Region Sales Manager
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dwolff at nelhydrogen.com
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On Behalf Of Denis, Kevin L. (GSFC-5530)
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2022 07:56
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Subject: [labnetwork] CDA cleanliness verification


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Hello All,
Following up on the great advice provided on use of copper piping for CDA.? I am curious if anyone can provide a reference for a testing laboratory for measurement of CDA purity.? In particular we are looking to verify low levels of organics
 (10ug/m3) and inorganics NH4+ and SOx (5ug/m3).? ??
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We would prefer a vendor in the mid-atlantic region but any references you would provide would be very helpful.

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Thanks, and hope everyone has a nice holiday.
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Kevin
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