[labnetwork] How do you charge SBIRs?

[Amy Adams]

Hello Lulian,
It is my understanding if they are using federal funds, you are required to charge the internal rate. Perhaps it would be beneficial for you to inquire with your Office of Sponsored Programs/Finance office to confirm about the federal requirements. 
Best Regards,
Amy


> On Dec 9, 2022, at 7:46 PM, Tobi Beetz <tobi at stanford.edu> wrote:
> 
> Hi Iulian - our center has the same rate structure that you have.  We decided to not give a SBIR discount or other incentive and charge them the full for-profit rate which is in our case 3x our internal rate. I don't view it to be the responsibility of a University research center to give financial benefits to for-profit companies that might receive SBIR grants.  I think that the SBIR grant is a great program to have and it is between the company and the government the same way that a company might have other funding sources.  When they come to us, they are a for-profit company and therefore get the corresponding rate.  Even without a lower SBIR rate, we have seen many smaller companies at our center able to drive forward their programs.  While on this topic, I also highly recommend looking into retainers, or other forms of financial insurance, for engaging with companies.  Things can turn pretty quickly ...
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Tobi
> 
> Tobi Beetz, Ph.D.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: labnetwork <labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu> On Behalf Of Iulian Codreanu
> Sent: Friday, December 9, 2022 8:31 AM
> To: Fab Network <labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu>
> Subject: [labnetwork] How do you charge SBIRs?
> 
> Good Morning,
> 
> As most of you probably do, I have three rate structures:
> -Internal
> -Other academic/government
> -Corporate (for profit)
> 
> I am writing to solicit your input on how you handle SBIRs (where funds go from the government to a for-profit entity). Do you charge the government rate, the corporate rate, or something else? What rationale do you use when you decide? If you offer the government rate, do you require any "proof" that SBIR funds ate indeed used?
> 
> Thank you very much,
> 
> Iulian
> 
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> iulian Codreanu, Ph.D.
> Director, Nanofabrication Facility
> University of Delaware
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