[labnetwork] launderable cleanroom clothing

Fri Sep 22 12:25:50 EDT 2023

That's an insightful way of looking at this.

Thank you,

Brian K. Olmsted
Associate Director of Laboratory Operations
University of Minnesota | Minnesota Nano Center
cse.umn.edu/mnc
612.626.3287
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On Fri, Sep 22, 2023 at 11:18 AM Collins, Deon <deonc69 at illinois.edu> wrote:

> It was a waste of money. A standard but quality washer with a stainless
> drum is more than sufficient unless you are doing thousands of garments a
> week. With an off the shelf washer, you can get parts anywhere and any
> local repair shop can handle it. I also looked at it this way. If a good
> whirlpool lasts you 5 years at 800$ your $ up. An industrial washer can
> cost you $6000 easy. At that price you could replace the washer every 5
> years and still be money up after 30 years. I would assume a good
> Maytag/Whirlpool/Kitchen Aid(all the same company) will last 10 years on RO
> water. DI water may shorten it life due to ION leaching in the plastics and
> seals.
>
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> *Deon D. Collins*
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> *FACILITY MANAGER*
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> *The Grainger College Of Engineering UIUC*
> Holonyak Micro & Nanotechnology Lab
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> Urbana, IL 61801
> 217-300-7531 | deonc69 at illinois.edu
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> *From:* Brian K. Olmsted <olms0025 at umn.edu>
> *Sent:* Friday, September 22, 2023 10:47 AM
> *To:* Aebersold, Julia <julia.aebersold at louisville.edu>; Fab Network <
> labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu>
> *Cc:* Ryan R Anderson <rrand at ucdavis.edu>; Kurt Kupcho <
> kurt.kupcho at wisc.edu>; Collins, Deon <deonc69 at illinois.edu>; Dennis
> Schweiger <schweig at umich.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: [labnetwork] launderable cleanroom clothing
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>
> Hi everyone,
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>
> This has been an insightful and fascinating thread to follow. I've had the
> opportunity to talk with a few of you about our garment situation, and the
> outcome of those conversations has me looking into what it would take to
> get set up with our own washing machine and racking equipment, too. With
> the hope that I'm not shifting the conversation too much from the original
> post's topic, what is your experience or recommendations for what to look
> for in an industrial washing machine?
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> Thanks,
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> Brian K. Olmsted
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> Associate Director of Laboratory Operations
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> University of Minnesota | Minnesota Nano Center
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> On Thu, Sep 21, 2023 at 4:15 PM Aebersold, Julia <
> julia.aebersold at louisville.edu> wrote:
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> We do the exact same process here at the the University of Louisville.
>
>
>
> Cheers!
>
>
>
> Julia Aebersold, Ph.D.
>
> Manager, Micro/Nano Technology Center
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> University of Louisville
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> *From:* labnetwork <labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu> on behalf of Ryan R
> Anderson <rrand at ucdavis.edu>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 20, 2023 6:58 PM
> *To:* Kurt Kupcho <kurt.kupcho at wisc.edu>; Collins, Deon <
> deonc69 at illinois.edu>; Dennis Schweiger <schweig at umich.edu>; Fab Network <
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> We do our own cleanroom laundry here at UC Davis too.   We use our own
> washing machine and student assistant labor; except we air dry the
> garments.  Much cheaper and much less of a headache than our previous
> relationship with Aramark.
>
>
> Best,
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>
>
> Ryan Anderson
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> Manager, Center for Nano-Micro Manufacturing
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> 1209 Kemper Hall
> University of California Davis
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> *From:* labnetwork <labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu> on behalf of Kurt
> Kupcho <kurt.kupcho at wisc.edu>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 20, 2023 11:35 AM
> *To:* Collins, Deon <deonc69 at illinois.edu>; Dennis Schweiger <
> schweig at umich.edu>; Fab Network <labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: [labnetwork] launderable cleanroom clothing
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>
> At UW-Madison we have done something similar.  We have a SS industrial
> washing machine hooked up to RO water and an industrial dryer with HEPA
> filter.  We pay student hourlies to do the laundry, fold it, and put in
> gown room racks.  With laundry detergent and student hourlies we are
> probably under $1K a year on garment logistics.
>
>
>
> Best
>
> Kurt
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>
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> Kurt Kupcho
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> Materials Science Engineer
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> Nanoscale Fabrication Center (NFC)
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> University of Wisconsin
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> T:  608-262-2982
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> *From:* labnetwork <labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu> *On Behalf Of *Collins,
> Deon
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 20, 2023 9:03 AM
> *To:* Dennis Schweiger <schweig at umich.edu>; Fab Network <
> labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: [labnetwork] launderable cleanroom clothing
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> Good Morning,
>
>
>
> Holonyak lab used a cleaning service until 2021. It was never a good
> solution. We continually had item lost, damaged,  mixed in with our returns
> and lost/damaged shipments. On top of that the manpower it took to manage
> the shipping deliveries and inventory moving around does not pay off. We
> ended up buying a quality top loader washer with a SS drum. We also ended
> up installing a small but effective RO on the water supply line, a bag
> sealer, properly sized bags, and a set of nice SS racks. We hang the
> cleanroom suites up to dry on the racking in the same space as our washer.
> Our washing machine is in a storage room which is within our clean room. As
> the garments a not porous there is little to no water, they dry quickly.
> We also bag them for storage till they are required for swap out. Our
> losses have gone to near zero and we feel there is a better product
> provided to our cleanroom users. As we already owned our garments it was a
> no brainier. Our lab assistants process the laundry in the evening. We were
> spending thousands just for laundry services a year. On top of that the
> loses, damages and shipping were all recouped in a matter of months.
> Granted you will need a little assistance from the staff but it is worth
> it.
>
>
>
> Hope this helps.
>
>
>
> *Deon D. Collins*
>
>
> *FACILITY MANAGER*
>
> *The Grainger College Of Engineering UIUC*
> Holonyak Micro & Nanotechnology Lab
> 208 N Wright St Rm. 1114 | MC-249
> Urbana, IL 61801
> 217-300-7531 | deonc69 at illinois.edu
>
>
> <http://illinois.edu/>
>
> *Under the Illinois Freedom of Information Act any written communication
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> *From:* labnetwork <labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu> *On Behalf Of *Dennis
> Schweiger
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 19, 2023 12:59 PM
> *To:* Fab Network <labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu>
> *Subject:* [labnetwork] launderable cleanroom clothing
>
>
>
> Good afternoon all,
>
>
>
> Here at the University of Michigan/LNF we've been using launderable
> garments for many years (Cintas is the provider).  We've had mostly good
> success, and our vendor has helped us to incorporate a simple suit
> modification to allow for better identification of individuals when they
> are in full garb.  As part of our due diligence for keeping costs under
> control, we'd be interested in comparing notes with other Universities that
> are also using an outside company to provide your laundry service.
> Currently our laundry costs run us about $52K/year and we're laundering
> roughly 500 pieces of clothing every week.
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> Dennis Schweiger
>
> University of Michigan/LNF
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>
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> 734.647.2055 Ofc
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