[labnetwork] Dicing Saw Advice.....

[Vlahakis, James]

Hi Christophe, thanks for the info, ADT users have very positive experience with the saws

Have a good weekend

jim

From: labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu <labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu> On Behalf Of Christophe Clément
Sent: Friday, August 2, 2019 11:26 AM
To: labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu
Subject: Re: [labnetwork] Dicing Saw Advice.....

Hello, I will second Shimon's comment.
Here at Polytechnic School of Montreal, we have an ADT dicing 7100 for 10 years now with relative few maintenances to do (cleaning, blade calibration..etc). The tool is very easy to use and to program. Cost for blades are around 35 US$, we buy it directly from ADT in Israel, and we have also good service from ADT US. We bought the tool new in 2010, and we do not regret our choice so far.
Hope this help!
Christophe Clément


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De: "Shimon Eliav" <shimonel at savion.huji.ac.il<mailto:shimonel at savion.huji.ac.il>>
À: "Paolini, Steven" <spaolini at cns.fas.harvard.edu<mailto:spaolini at cns.fas.harvard.edu>>, "Vlahakis, James K." <james.vlahakis at tufts.edu<mailto:james.vlahakis at tufts.edu>>, "labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu<mailto:labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu>" <labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu<mailto:labnetwork at mtl.mit.edu>>
Envoyé: Vendredi 2 Août 2019 01:36:42
Objet: Re: [labnetwork] Dicing Saw Advice.....

As Steve, I also got the exact same feeling when I saw the picture: I refurbished one of those machines some 30 years ago. Today we have an ADT system. It is simple to use, ease to program and all in all we are very satisfied with it: it is running for more than ten years with not big maintenance issues. It is a “work horse” and its flexibility makes it very suitable for academic use. The support we have here in Israel is nice (perhaps also in US). The machine we got was an ADT demo system, we purchased it by half price, some 60k$.
Good luck!

Shimon Eliav
The Unit for Nano Fabrication (UNF)
The Hebrew University of Jerusalem

From: labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu<mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu> [mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu] On Behalf Of Paolini, Steven
Sent: Friday, 2 August 2019 0:48
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Subject: Re: [labnetwork] Dicing Saw Advice.....

That photo of the MicroAutomation saw gave me some creepy flashbacks! I worked on a fleet of those about 25 years ago.
Two vendors come to mind, one being K&S and another being Disco. I have experience with both, but Disco has been the most developed and supportive dicing saw vendor.
Good luck,

Steve Paolini
Principal Equipment Engineer
Harvard University Center for Nanoscale Systems
11 Oxford St.
Cambridge, MA 02138
617- 496- 9816
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From: labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu<mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu> <labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu<mailto:labnetwork-bounces at mtl.mit.edu>> On Behalf Of Vlahakis, James
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2019 3:04 PM
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Subject: [labnetwork] Dicing Saw Advice.....

Hi everyone, I’m hoping the group can provide some advice regarding dicing and dicing saws.

We have a refurbished (within the past 3yrs) MicroAutomation MA1006<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__engineering.tufts.edu_microfab_capabilities_MA1006Saw.htm&d=DwMFAg&c=WO-RGvefibhHBZq3fL85hQ&r=-H4Z_jeDfTYjnKPXor15vLwzBllmg8gFrb9m_k9OGks&m=nuBi9zk2EtI6eQL594rhhH5VsjHUTxPycO_Gg5IDIM8&s=3PgdUx-pKubD7Vy0tdjZzybiPz87wKFgXWO_0GbQRMg&e=> saw which requires significant time/resources to keep online. Unfortunately, it is underutilized, only 1-2 dicing jobs per month. With such poor bang-for-the-buck we’re considering alternatives -

·         A different service provider – maybe our support is subpar?

For those who have similar tools, who maintains them? What are your results?
·         Purchase a different, hopefully more reliable saw

For those with other saws, what do you have? Can you comment on reliability? Consumable costs? Ease of use?
·         Remove the saw and do not replace it

Losing capabilities is suboptimal and perhaps sets a perilous precedent (we are university lab, none of our tools are justified *economically*). Have others done this? Can anyone recommend a source for dicing services – specifically for small, infrequent jobs?
·         Other possibilities we haven’t considered?

I’m eager to hear various perspectives and experiences.

jim




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