[labnetwork] How do you charge SBIRs?

[Aebersold, Julia]

Coleman, I understand and appreciate your comments, however, most of us are prohibited from charging external companies our internal rates.  Internal rates have taken into account F&A already charged to grants used by internal researchers.  Also, most academic cleanrooms are subsidized and would have to triple their rates or higher to cover all of their operational costs.

Cheers!

Julia Aebersold, Ph.D.
Manager, Micro/Nano Technology Center
University of Louisville
Shumaker Research Building, Room 233
2210 South Brook Street
Louisville, KY  40292
(502) 852-1572

http://louisville.edu/micronano/

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Hey Lulian,
Not sure if this helps but speaking from the small business side with SBIR funds, we look for cleanrooms that don’t up charge so much and are willing to work with the internal rates. The indirect rates/up charge most universities impose are prohibitive for small business to engage with especially for phase I SBIRs. I believe U of A has a nice approach where they have reduced indirects for phase I and slightly higher rates for phase II SBIRs.

In our experience the up charge many academic cleanrooms were quoting led us to working with commercial partners instead because the cost for our process wasn’t that different and they had better scaling capacity.
Best,
Coleman Murray, Ph.D.


On Dec 10, 2022, at 9:06 AM, Cornwall, Bob <rgc5 at psu.edu<mailto:rgc5 at psu.edu>> wrote:
Iulian,

At Penn State we are required to ask if this is government pass through and we get the grant number from the company and treat like a subcontract with internal government rates.  The government always gets the lowest rate.  If work from another university is industry funded, we use industry rates, if government funded we use internal/Govt rates.  SBIRS would receive our internal rate which is the lowest rate charged.

Bob

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Subject: [labnetwork] How do you charge SBIRs?

Good Morning,

As most of you probably do, I have three rate structures:
-Internal
-Other academic/government
-Corporate (for profit)

I am writing to solicit your input on how you handle SBIRs (where funds go from the government to a for-profit entity). Do you charge the government rate, the corporate rate, or something else? What rationale do you use when you decide? If you offer the government rate, do you require any "proof" that SBIR funds ate indeed used?

Thank you very much,

Iulian

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